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Poster: Gunny at 2008-08-27 08:03:24
Subject: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  
I have a serious question that has been on my mind for a while and I would like to get some answers on Achievements.

I know 'some" Achievements such as Feats of Strength is somthing that needs to be completed or is to old for most people to complete again such as the old style PVP ranks. But what about other Achievements such as "Cassic Raider" where you have to kill the bosses of the original WoW named below:

Classic Raider

Defeat Onyxia.
Defeat Nefarian.
Defeat Ragnaros.
Defeat C'Thun.
Defeat Hakkar.
Defeat Ossirian the Unscarred.


My question is once the xpac comes out and we go above level 70 would it still be possible to go back and slay some of those mobs to complete this Achievement? Or would this and other Achievements besides Feats of Strength have to be done BEFORE the xpac to count?



Jon LeCraft on Engineering (Profession Designer)


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Well what we learned is that we probably nerfed it a little too hard in reaction to what it was like pre-Burning Crusade.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 08:40:50
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  
The goal of any of the actual Achievements is that they are still available and can be done by any player.

Some of the Feats of Strength may no longer be possible to do and that is why they are in a separate category.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 09:05:07
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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Thank you for the response. :)

Hopefully you mean to say "The goal of any of the actual Achievements is that they are still available and can be done by any player at any level. :)




If they are still available to be accomplished, they are still available. Level has nothing to do with it. :)


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There is no level limitation on getting credit. Bliz never said there would be one, and the expectation is that people would go back to the old content to get these type of achievements.

In other words, it's a time sink.

edit: Gross, my first first and it's a Bornakk post! Blech!! Where's the clever and witty red skull dude when the magical Sharax is posting?




Resisted.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 09:29:52
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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question, wat about old naxx will there be an achievement for running old naxx or at least getting the attunement??


The achievements must still be achievable so we don't have anything planned for killing level 60-tuned Kel'thuzad and we aren't doing them for every achievement.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 09:50:24
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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So we get credit for killing bosses like 3 years ago right?


You may need to kill them again.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 10:03:36
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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if we have BOP items dropped only by said Boss (such as my Perdition's Blade, or my Death's Sting) or have done the turn in quest for said Boss (such as the Onyxia/Nefarion head turn in), why can't the system recognize that we did that and give us the credit? You are doing it for pets/mounts.


We'll have to see how it ends up working, but I didn't say you were guaranteed to have to kill them again.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 12:21:44
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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So in other words Achievements are a complete waste of time if you have to redo what you have already done.


I don't understand what you are getting at, can you elaborate?


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And having some Achievements that you can no longer get for example: PvP Titles etc seems a little unfair to those that can no longer get them.

Comeon Blizz. If you are going to introduce something atleast start off on a level playing field.


Feats of Strength and Achievements are kept separate for this reason. As I said already in this very thread, all Achievements are going to be available for all players to complete, whether you started in 2004 or yesterday, your character can complete them.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 12:29:35
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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Don't be obtuse, you know exactly what he's talking about. People ran and reran MC, BWL, AQ40, Naxx, AQ20 and ZG constantly. If you've already killed all the bosses, people shouldn't have to redo this.



This is a new system we are adding into the game soon, not something we've been doing in the background for the past few years though. I'm also pretty sure at level 70 or 80 for that matter that running some of these old instances isn't going to be much of a struggle.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 12:39:07
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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WANT to do it is a different thing altogether.

I've already done it. You're penalizing people for your companies lack of foresight.




If you don't want the achievements you don't have to do them either.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 12:54:15
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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That's a poor answer.

I've DONE those things....Do you not see the disparity in your application?



New systems, features, etc. are new.

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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 13:03:35
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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And the ability to keep data isn't.

Hmm...Interesting concept, isn't it?




New tracking and new programming for a new feature are though. ;-)


Q u o t e:

I did too until I read the blue answers in this post. Apparently we're wrong.



I haven't said nothing will be retroactive just that we'll have to wait and see how the final system turns out. Currently in beta it varies from player to player.

[ Post edited by Bornakk ]



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Poster: Bornakk at 2008-08-27 16:57:04
Subject: Re: Question on Achievements "Classic Raider"
  

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If you can't give us credit for completing content we already completed, then you shouldn't have it in as an achievement.


And we'd rather add in the additional achievements like these. While some people may have to go do them and whopping one more time, there are a number of people who will get credit retroactively. It feels more fun and complete to add these in as opposed to having achievements just for Northrend.

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