Poster: Skalagrim at 1/14/2006 12:32:06 PM PST
Subject: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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Welcome to nerfville. Population: you and me if this gets implemented.
https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-mage&t=639665&p=1
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/14/2006 1:37:55 PM PST
Subject: Re: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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You folks need to calm down about this.
Caster boosts for critical percentages are nowhere near the efficient formula melees have. It takes far more points for a 1% spell critical chance to be gained through Intellect than it does for Rogues through Agility.
This additional Spirit effect would most likely operate the same way: a lot of Spirit would be required to make any noticeable impact. As any caster can tell you, most items with a high amount of Spirit are significantly lacking in other qualities.
Again, it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. Take a deep breath, sit back, and wait to try it out in testing before giving feedback on it. I really don't think it's going to affect your DPS as much as you're making it out to do.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/14/2006 1:57:03 PM PST
Subject: Re: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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Ramaras, do you want to know why I counsel patience and a "wait and see" attitude?
Because I'm experienced in community management, and every single time something like this is mentioned ahead of time... every single time... a portion of the community blows it out of proportion with only their own idea of the worst-case scenario fueling the fire.
It's something they're kicking around at the office right now. Nothing is cemented. However, throwing your hands up in the air and proclaiming it's the end of the world solves absolutely nothing and will do absolutely nothing besides have forum action taken against you assuming you're not constructive.
So yes, I'm going to ask you to calm down and stop panicking about this issue. There's a wide world of balance out there, and the developers have to consider every class -- not just yours. I know you're very attached to your Rogues. I know that DPS is everything, and critical chance is a large percentage of that. But I'm telling you, as a 60 Rogue who does PvP AND as a Blizzard employee, that I really don't think it's going to affect you much at all in the long run.
If you continue to be unable to discuss this in a reasonable fashion, I'm locking this thread and making it a taboo subject on this forum. I don't want to do that, as I think it can be discussed reasonably, but if all you have to contribute is "GG Blizz way to nerf us again," don't post.
Are we clear?
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/14/2006 2:18:00 PM PST
Subject: Re: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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Rogues are considered in these things, folks. The developers have not forgotten about the class. Being melodramatic about this helps nothing. Again, if you want to discuss it, do so in a constructive, civil, and above all, reasonable manner, or I will lock the thread.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/14/2006 2:30:28 PM PST
Subject: Re: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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Q u o t e:
-casters have +spell damage, ever see a piece of armor with +33 backstab damage? didnt think so.
Yes, I have seen armor with +damage for Rogues. It's called Agility, which adds Attack Power and thus damage. Casters have nothing remotely equivalent that scales damage like that.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/14/2006 2:41:00 PM PST
Subject: Re: Blue is talking about a Rogue nerf |
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Q u o t e:
Err, the spell damage effect, which you insist is not a stat but is treated exactly like one in caster itemization, scales significantly better than Agility in the itemization formula. One point of spell damage costs roughly 90% of 1 point of agility, and only 3.5 points of spell damage are required to add 1DPS, whereas a rogue requires 8AGI to add 1DPS even accounting for the critical chance provided by the agility.
Claiming there is a meaningful difference between a "Equip:" effect and a statistic is a dangerous trend.
I'm not claiming there's a notable difference or even that one is better than the other, Wodin. I'm merely stating that, yes, there is a way through armor to increase one's damage. The post I responded to was implying otherwise.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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