Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:01:38 PM PST
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Hello, everyone. I'm Caydiem, and I'm a Level 60 Rogue. I've been playing my Rogue since launch.
I know a lot of you associate me with Druids, and for good reason; I've been a major Druid proponent, and have a 60 of that class as well. Some are of the belief that I was forced to create a Rogue, or was unhappy with my Druid's damage. Neither is the case. In fact, I created my Druid for work purposes at the start of the game because no one else played them on the team at the time. My Rogue? I started it at the same time to be my "fun" character, my alternate to get away from learning the Druid. Rogues were quick and deadly, with some interesting utility. Now, outside of World of Warcraft, I love Rogues. I normally play that class in D&D. I always have a Rogue-like character in other MMOs I play. I love that sort of mechanic, and WoW was to be no different.
I hit 60 with my Rogue later than with my Druid, but at this time, my Rogue is far more advanced, having run the gamut of content from level 1 to Blackwing Lair, in all the Battlegrounds and world PvP back when the Tarren Mill/Southshore tide was ebbing and flowing all day.
I like my Rogue. I enjoy playing him. I like the challenge of maximizing my damage potential while remaining off the mobs' radar. I like the surprise aspect of the class in PvP and the situations there in which I excel. I enjoy experimenting with different builds.
I know some of you aren't happy about the state of your class. I know that the current stance of the company on the state of the Rogue has incensed you. But I want you to know that you're not being ignored, and that you have someone in your court that does understand the class.
For obvious reasons, I can't share my personal opinions about the class, though I can share experiences. The time for review is not yet here for you. But I did want to let you know that I am here and reading, and that I'm well-versed in the context.
Thanks for your feedback thus far, and keep up the constructive threads. It's appreciated.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:09:39 PM PST
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Thank you Caydiem.
It's good to know there is someone out there looking after us. By the way, whatever happened to Tyren?
Tyren's still here -- sitting right behind me, as a matter of fact -- but his job has progressed toward the international side of things more and more, thus keeping him very involved in that vein.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:15:11 PM PST
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Thank you, Cay. It is good to see blue posting here, it's been quite a while. Grats on 60, I hope you really are experiencing the class like you say.
I know you can't give out your opinion on the class as a whole, but I, and I'm sure most of us are wondering, do you feel rogue has strayed from the path the devs set for the class(or that other class' buffs have gone too far)? Do you think the class needs improvements(and if so...how much?)? Lastly, how do *you* think rogue as a class performs in PVP(that would be open world PVP, BGs, *and* duels) and end game PVE?
Yes, see, this is precisely the sort of thing I can't talk about. :P Most of these are, unfortunately, loaded questions. As long as I post in blue here, you won't be seeing answers to these from my perspective as a player.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:15:27 PM PST
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No, that was just the token blue post for the next six weeks to assure us that they are actually reading our feedback, and it is valued.
Kinda like how they were reading the forums, just not posting in them and neglected to notice a thread entitled "Badwordhere The Devs!" that stayed on the front page for two weeks and was well over 20 pages long.
They're just trying to prevent another rogue forums revolt. Damage Control
Not particularly.
I'm not trying to throw you off in any way, here -- the review isn't coming for a while. As such, there's not much that I can contribute as a liaison. At the least, though, I can do what I've done on the Druid forums in slow times and "talk shop" now and again. I just wanted to introduce myself in a manner that explained my expertise in the area rather than just show up and start talking randomly.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:20:32 PM PST
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Thanks for the feedback and it feels good to have someone who actually has played the rogue class and knows where we are at =D
a few questions though;
What kind of priority do we have when it comes to talent updates? are we not very high on that list or are we higher up than most classes, i.e. mages, shamans, Ya know.
How do you feel about eviscerate?
seeing as eviscerate does not scale with attack power or weapon damage eviscerate is eventually going to become a finishing move of the past.
Will expose armour ever stack with sunder armour?
This would be wonderful, maybe imp. expose armor would give us say aggro reduction whenever we use the move?Do the devs feel this move is good in it's current state?
Well thats all.
Rogues are fairly low on the totem pole in terms of talent reviews. The developers are pretty happy with the diversity offered in the talent trees -- the Rogue in particular is a prime example of the "more options as you go deeper in a tree" philosophy on talents.
Eviscerate is a good bit of burst damage when you're levelling up and even at 60 when you have yet to significantly gear up. It's also good to use when the health of the thing you're attacking is almost spent; unless you're fighting multiple things, Slice and Dice is wasted at that point. I don't think there are any plans to make it scale at this point, but I'm not positive.
Honestly, Expose Armor will probably never stack with Sunder Armor. Sunder Armor stacks with itself five times, which is a large chunk, and there are other abilities that do stack that can take armor down even further. I don't believe Expose Armor was intended for use where Sunder Armor was being used heavily.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:22:52 PM PST
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If that is the case; What are CMs used for? Reading our posts, and telling us that you are infact reading? We see a blue post about every four or five months here, lower if lucky.
We haven't been very lucky lately either.
What -can- you tell us then? The fact that you guys read our posts is nothing, in my dear and honest opinion.
Reading your posts, giving the developers your feedback, and giving you information from the developers when we had it.
I'm sorry, but if you're looking to find my personal opinion on a class in its entirety, you're going to have to catch me when I'm not representing the company I work for. I certainly do have opinions about the class as a player, but I am a representative of Blizzard, and it isn't my feedback that I take to the designers -- it's yours.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:33:55 PM PST
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Dyan, the developers are fully aware of the Rogue community's thoughts on the class.
However, they are currently of the mind that the Rogue class needs far less attention than other classes in the grand scheme of things.
They know what many of you feel should be changed, but they don't necessarily agree.
When I have information with you, I'll give it. If you don't want to see me chit-chat, then avoid those posts where I do. I am a Community Manager, and part of that is community building.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:39:24 PM PST
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Howdy Cay,
I have a few questions about your experience with your rogue.
1. What build you currently have?
2. Do you use daggers, swords, maces or fists?
3. When raiding on your rogue what is your standard play style? For example are you BS, SnD, BS, BS etc.
4. What do you find the most annoying thing about playing a rogue?
5. What is your equipment like atm? Tier 2? Weapons? etc
Some other questions on general things.
1. I think everyone would agree that the best weapons for rogues are daggers and swords. Do you think we'll see comparable fist and mace weapons sometime in the future? Because currently given the best end-game weapons maces and fist weapons don't cut it (BWL fist is not as good as BWL swords etc).
2. Has the recent nerf to SnD (as in requiring a live target to initiate SnD) affected your DPS or enjoyment of the class? Personally I find that although it has affected my DPS it was not a massive hit. However I find it more frustrating then anything else as the flow of combat has been reduced.
Thanks
On my Rogue:
1. Something well and truly horrid due to experimentation recently. I'm going back to my maximized Backstab/Slice and Dice damage build soon.
2. Daggers, at the moment, though I was a sword rogue for a while.
3. I use BS and SnD extensively.
4. Running out of Flash Powder because I'm a doofus.
5. My gear is a mix of Molten Core and Zul'Gurub gear right now... some Tier 1, some epics off Hakkar, that sort of thing.
As for the general questions...
1) I don't know about maces, but I have heard discussions about making Fist Weapons potentially more viable for Rogues. The jury's still out on what, precisely, but it's definitely been in discussion.
2) It affected my DPS a little, but I really don't mind. Honestly, I always felt it was a little cheap to do that on a mob that was already dead. I've learned to compensate and time it better; no big loss.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:46:19 PM PST
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You can change Slice and Dice to not work on dead monsters but can't change the level 20 spell of Arcane Explosion to not break a rogues stealth? You say that you felt it was cheap for a rogue to be able to use those points on a dead mob but isn't that the way the rogue class works; cheap? Pretty dumb if you ask me; but you didn't.
Here's the difference between the two:
The Slice and Dice issue was a bug.
The Arcane Explosion? Not a bug.
That's why we can fix one and haven't fixed the other.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:49:01 PM PST
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I think we all appreciate this fact Cay. What is frustrating is that when the response is simply, "we're listening" rather than some explanation on why they "don't necessarily agree" with some of the common thoughts posted on the board.
Could we get an explantion regarding the intended role of the class, particularly in end-game where our utility is virtually nullified and damage surpassed or equaled by warriors? Perhaps an explanation on why blink and backstabs are parried? Or maybe the logic of resisted warrior shouts destealthing us?
I know you (Blizz generally speakign) cannot engage in an ongoing back and forth debate about character design and balance. However, I feel taht some explanation about WHY Blizzard thinks we don't need significant changes in light of the poitns discussed on the board is not an unrealistic request.
Nooooo, I am not making another Role post. That's a huge can of worms, and most people take it as the developers saying "learn2play". The developers don't like dictating how players should play the game within the game design.
I'll get explanations when and where I can, but they're difficult to achieve at times.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:54:06 PM PST
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Bug or not; it was a nerf. Not saying it was a great nerf but one nonetheless. Why won't the bugs that do affect our class not get fixed? The in combat bugs ring a bell.
Quite simply, the reason why these bugs don't get fixed immediately is because they're not easy to fix.
The in-combat bug in particular is a huge tangle and not something that can be fixed with a snap of the fingers. It's known. It's being worked on. The developers are not idle when it comes to that sort of thing. And yes, it affects Rogues more than most, but this isn't some sort of malicious bias amongst the developer community to keep you down. They're working on fixing everything; the problem is that these bugs (like the in-combat issue) and technical limitations (like poisons disappearing off weapons when zoning) can unfortunately affect Rogues significantly.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:04:22 PM PST
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- Friendly reminder.. this "poison bug", you call it, has been in-game since release, it sure as hell taking a long time for developers to figure out why our poisons "poof" when we zone in/out of instances, doesnt it?
They know very well why it disappears. I said it wasn't a bug, but rather a technical limitation that deals with switching physical servers (continents and instances). It's not something that can be coded away easily. It's something we'd like to fix, but not before some technical hurdles can be overcome.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:09:43 PM PST
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You yourself of all people should know our poisons cost a pretty penny. This bug has been in game since release, and it is still there? They can take a day off and fix the problem, 24 hours is most likely all they'll need.
But no. They'd rather fix a bug where we can't use SnD when the mob is dead.
It is not a bug. It is a technical limitation with the way our servers are set up. It is not something that can be fixed in a day. I have said this three times already. Please read what I've said before you speculate without any information on what you're speaking about. Thank you.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:16:00 PM PST
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Alright, alright. This 'technical limitation' is hitting us Rogues, hard. Especially when the rogue isn't loaded with gold. I think we'd receive some peice of mind if you can confirm they are infact trying.
Dyan...
We will fix it when we can overcome the technical hurdle; and of course we're always looking for ways to do so, but that's not something that can be fixed in a patch. It's a much larger core issue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:17:49 PM PST
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Also, a caveat, folks -- if I don't respond to a particular issue you bring up, I didn't miss your post; I just have nothing to tell you on that particular subject at this time.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:16:00 PM PST
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Alright, alright. This 'technical limitation' is hitting us Rogues, hard. Especially when the rogue isn't loaded with gold. I think we'd receive some peice of mind if you can confirm they are infact trying.
Dyan...
We will fix it when we can overcome the technical hurdle; and of course we're always looking for ways to do so, but that's not something that can be fixed in a patch. It's a much larger core issue.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 4:17:49 PM PST
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Also, a caveat, folks -- if I don't respond to a particular issue you bring up, I didn't miss your post; I just have nothing to tell you on that particular subject at this time.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 6:59:37 PM PST
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I'll just be a little troll, I've read this entire post and cay stopped posting about 3 pages ago =D. And only seems to answer the poison issue. Yes I read that you have nothing to say. .. Thats alot of nothing cay.
I came primarily to talk shop. If I had answers to all of your issues, I wouldn't have posted this thread; I would have answered them in the respective threads. When I have answers, I'll give them; when I don't, understand that I've read your concerns and will comment if/when I can.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 7:11:33 PM PST
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Alright. This is one of them slow times (as you state, rogue talent review is a ways off).
First some questions I feel obliged to ask:
- When is the rogue talent review? Last? Like after priests, mages, shamans? Or not last?
As I said, it's low on the priority list for classes. I don't know precisely when.
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- Will the poisons tech issue be fixed before the rogue talent review?
Probably not.
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- Has the rogue AQ armor been colored different than pink? Or is that still coming in a future hotfix?
As I said then, the color was changed to a muted grey.
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Now that that's out of the way, let's talk shop.
I feel most useful in BRD as an instance. It's a spot where I can sap. And stealth. And pick locks.
What's your favorite instance?
Blackfathom Deeps overall.. Zul'Gurub on the high end.
I really like Zul'Gurub's story and its strategy. The challenge is always there, the execution necessary. And the little touches -- like Hakkar whispering to you randomly -- are fantastic and really reinforce the storyline. Plus, as a Rogue, I get to use Improved Sap a lot. Do the Mages sheep? Of course, but there are a lot of pulls where a sap can be used as well as the obligatory sheep. I enjoy the challenge of avoiding the bat bombs and the thrill of skipping out of the way of the whirlwind attacks before they actually hit me. No matter your class, you feel like you're really contributing to the raid, that you matter. You're important. That's an awesome feeling.
My thoughts on Molten Core are mixed. My Druid has never seen the Core on a raid, so my only experiences with the dungeon are as a Rogue, and I admit my mind fuzzes over when I'm raiding. The fights I enjoy more often than not are Baron Geddon and Ragnaros himself. My guild has MC on farm status, so it's not particularly challenging for me, and tends to be a time of silliness and chatter more than actual challenge.
Blackwing Lair is another matter, though, since we're just learning it. Figuring out Razorgore was mayhem, and Vaelastrasz was quite a challenge. It's enjoyable to run through with a guild that's learning an instance, see what they try. I tend to stay silent and go along with whatever strategy is the flavor of the hour. ;)[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 7:22:18 PM PST
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Stabzy, when I "talk shop", I tend to speak about my experiences, talent build, that sort of thing. My play character, what it is, and what I've done. That's pretty much what I can do without information at the moment.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:09:39 PM PST
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Thank you Caydiem.
It's good to know there is someone out there looking after us. By the way, whatever happened to Tyren?
Tyren's still here -- sitting right behind me, as a matter of fact -- but his job has progressed toward the international side of things more and more, thus keeping him very involved in that vein.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/11/2006 1:59:50 PM PST
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We've had our three hours of CM posts for the next three months, guys. No need to worry about any more responses.
As soon as people started asking hard questions about things like utility in group PvP, the idea that a rogue somehow has a role other than pure damage-dealing, and the mysterious appearence of class-defining skills like poisons as being thrown to enchanters as a subset of their tradeskill the posts stopped. A pity, really - I was hoping for actual answers and not just inanity.
Wrong, sir.
I do have other things to do in a given day than just talk to Rogues, believe it or not. This is at this point a very small portion of my time out of necessity.
I'm working on getting a response for you on Thunderfury.
Group PvP questions are something the developers would have to answer and not something I can address right now.
Rogues are DPS specialists and that's what they do in raids. My Druid can do many things, but in raids, I'm healing, because that's my role there. I understand the desire for more utility, but again, that's something that requires a "here's what we're doing for rogues" bit from the developers which is not coming for a while.
The comparison between Rogue poisons and Wizard oils is apt, but I really see no reason for you to be upset about this. Rogues and other classes that do physical damage can increase their damage quite significantly by getting better gear. This is less true of spellcasters, since the +spell damage gear still requires some sacrifices and again just ups it by a very flat amount. It doesn't scale like melee damage does. As such, the wizard oils are another way to augment damage. It is in no way taking away a class-defining ability for Rogues. It is making up for the lack of scalability in spell damage. That's it.
I would highly suggest, Wodin, not assuming that I'm gone. I'll read, but there are some things right now that I can not answer, and you'll have to come to terms with that.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/11/2006 2:13:06 PM PST
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Cay,
1) How much blind powder and thistletea do you normally keep on you and how often do you farm for those ingredients?
I normally have about 10 Blind Powder on me if PvEing, twice or thrice that in PvP. Thistle Tea I tend to grab whenever I'm bothered to have the mats. Great in PvP, but I'm not an herbalist so it's Price-Gouge the Rogues time. :P
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2) What race did you pick for your rogue and what is your most and least favorite thing about that race?
My Rogue is Human. I like Perception, particularly when playing WSG (all the moreso since it became usable while stealthed) and to a lesser extent the reputation boost. I do rather regret not making a Gnome, however, for Escape Artist and the obnoxious factor. ;)
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3) What is the most annoying thing about using blind powder to you?
See, here's the thing. I don't find it annoying. I really don't.
I play another class with reagents, too. That's just what it is -- a reagent. I have to keep stacks upon stacks of Wild Thornroot in my inventory as a Druid, not to mention seeds. It's a necessary thing. I have an entire bag dedicated to Rogue-specific reagents, poisons, and tools -- moreso if I'm going into PvP. That is a perfectly acceptable thing to me, since this space is being used to provide me with valuable boosts and abilities.
The only slightly irritating thing is paying out the nose for the Fadeleaf to make it, but that's not technically using it. ;)
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4) Have you done all the rogue class specific quests? If so, how do you feel about the early rogue skill quest story line compared to the level 50 versions?
I've done them all and I like them. Naturally the level 20 Alliance Rogue quest was quite nifty -- the tower that exists only for Rogues to invade it -- but I didn't mind the level 50 quest, either... particularly after I learned you can pickpocket the oozes. ;)
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5) What rogue art items would you like to see added in the future?
Oh, I don't know... I'd naturally like to see more diverse art across the board, but that's an ongoing project. I'm happy with what's there now, particularly with the new look for Perdition's and the Core Hound Tooth.
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6) What is the one thing you like least about sap when pvping?
What is this "like least" stuff? :P Phrasing your questions this way still isn't going to get me to complain about the game, you know. ;) I like sap in PvP; it has its uses, certainly. I've been on the receiving end on my Druid (and my Shaman in beta) and it is so utterly frustrating to be sapped and unable to do anything for what seems like an age. It's a powerful tool in the right situations.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/11/2006 3:21:28 PM PST
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being an engineer / miner on top of the rogue stuff I usually end up with 2 14 slotters full of reagents, tools potions and scrolls
I get the inv and bank full messages way to often =p
300 Miner/Goblin Engineer, right here. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/10/2006 3:49:01 PM PST
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I think we all appreciate this fact Cay. What is frustrating is that when the response is simply, "we're listening" rather than some explanation on why they "don't necessarily agree" with some of the common thoughts posted on the board.
Could we get an explantion regarding the intended role of the class, particularly in end-game where our utility is virtually nullified and damage surpassed or equaled by warriors? Perhaps an explanation on why blink and backstabs are parried? Or maybe the logic of resisted warrior shouts destealthing us?
I know you (Blizz generally speakign) cannot engage in an ongoing back and forth debate about character design and balance. However, I feel taht some explanation about WHY Blizzard thinks we don't need significant changes in light of the poitns discussed on the board is not an unrealistic request.
Nooooo, I am not making another Role post. That's a huge can of worms, and most people take it as the developers saying "learn2play". The developers don't like dictating how players should play the game within the game design.
I'll get explanations when and where I can, but they're difficult to achieve at times.
My heart is locked away in Glastonbury Tor.
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/12/2006 11:51:05 AM PST
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3rd time asking, I have the feeling he's avoiding the question.
Caydiem, what is your reputation level with AV or AB?
I would like to know your raid and group PvP experience because you write and I quote "I like the surprise aspect of the class in PVP and the situations there in which I excel."
As a representative of the rogues I want to know if you are reporting back to the developer's real experiences at PVP or just like you have elaborated, end game PvE? I can hear your report to Blizzard now... "Well guys I won another damage meter, rogues are working as intended".
I am not an idiot, thank you.
I'm Honored in both. Unfortunately my realm has a few Horde groups that are extremely organized, and I'm normally in a pick-up group. I haven't focused on PvP, but I'm no stranger to it, either. Kindly don't insinuate such things.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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Poster: Caydiem at 1/12/2006 12:39:38 PM PST
Subject: Re: Hi. |
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Kinda testy there aren't ya?? I didn't in any of my 3 posts asking your PvP experience as a rogue, call you an idiot nor did I once insinuate that you were a stranger to PvP.
As a representative to blizzard you should have a significant amount of PvP experience as a level 60 rogue considering your reporting back to the developers. My questions were an inquiry to your level of PvP with your rogue which is not a lot, I may add, to determine that level.
Due to your server having "a few Horde groups that are extremely organized" leaving you out and with PUG's for AB or AV has nothing to do with your experience other then, if I'm reading between the lines… your saying it really sucks to play AB or AV as a rogue unless your in an elite group.
And here come the insinuations again.
No, that is not what I am saying. Do not draw such ludicrous assumptions from my words, please.
What I am saying is I've played them extensively and enjoy them -- I just don't win as often as I'd like. But that's the case in any game. ;) I mentioned the Horde groups primarily to explain why my reputation was so low.
No, I'm not exalted. I haven't tried to be. I have a limited amount of time to play and as such I need to balance it. I haven't focused on full-on PvP. I know some Rogues have.
Here's the point.
I know Rogue PvP both solo and groups pretty darn well. You're never going to get a Blizzard representative in here that has the precise same experiences you do. I have the context I need to relate to you, and that's all that matters.
I'm not a malefactor, I'm a lagomorph!
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