Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:20:51 PM PST
Subject: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Hello. I know I'm not Eyonix or Tseric, but I hope you'll give a listen anyway. :)
I know that many of you are frustrated with your class. You have concerns, gripes, and suggestions regarding how it plays and how it fits the "role". You're doing your best to get this seen, and I sympathize, I do.
However, please understand that the Mage class is not going to be moved up in priority at this time when it comes to class reviews.
This sounds disappointing, I'm aware. Neglectful. The problems you have with the class stare you in the face every time you log in. They're significant! There are problems that need to be resolved! You're doing everything in your power to make Blizzard listen, and you're getting no satisfactory response! Why doesn't Blizzard do anything about these obvious problems?!
Now, this is not mockery. The above statements are slightly modified thoughts of my own from my eight years of MMO gaming. I understand well the fist-balling frustration you can feel when you see obvious problems in the game but simply cannot get them addressed despite using the correct avenues.
Here, though, I work with the developers as well, and although I was aware of their differing mentality prior to my hiring, my understanding of its use has grown. They need to view the game as a whole, to look at all classes rather than one. It was determined that all classes should get a review of some type, but in order to get the job done, a priority list had to be made -- from most needing attention to least.
The Mage class isn't necessarily "fine". It's not being ignored. The developers are not 100% happy with it. However, in the grand scheme of things, Mages have less problems than the classes before them. They do have issues, and the developers intend to resolve them, but there are more pressing concerns.
Now, I know that this goes against your personal experiences in many cases. All I ask of you for now is to keep a healthy sense of perspective. The developers know about your issues. You're not being ignored. Mages will have their time. It's simply not yet.
I am aware that it may try your patience to ask for more of it, but please, bear with us a bit longer. Your day will come. :)
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:47:12 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Shaman are incredible in 1v1 PvP. No one disputes that.
The game isn't balanced around 1v1 PvP, however. It's easy to point to duels or fights that are similar and say that Shaman certainly don't have problems.
There are, however, some issues with Shaman in PvE environments that do need to be addressed. I know it's very easy to put your own issues before others' when you're so much closer to them, and I don't fault you for it, but there are indeed some problems with the Shaman class in certain aspects that need addressing.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:49:04 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Yeah, it is amazing how unproductive they are when it comes to examining the classes.
For the love of god, stop spending time putting in new level 23 quests and $!@%ty content, and focus on the basics of the game.
Jesus christ, this is stuff that should have been done in Beta, or at least all at once. Mages have to suffer through 11+ months of being underpowered because we are DEAD LAST in getting a review? Every class will get buffed, and we have to just live through it all, with all the same bugs, all the same problems, even more resists and a growing trend towards melee domination. And the best they can come up with is "We know it sucks, sorry."
Absolutely f*cking ridiculous.
Quest designers are not class designers. There are different teams that focus on different aspects of the game. The class designers focus solely on balancing the classes -- they're not working on the other "[omitted] content" you claim is a waste of time.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:51:41 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
This is asking a bit much, but I figure it can't hurt to ask...
Can you give us a little preview of something we MIGHT get? that is, if you know what the plans are...hehe
If you have any "patch teasers," so to speak, let us hear 'em! :D
Every class that has been buffed has recieved a very significant one. I'm excited to see what mages will be getting ;) or at least a sneak peak
Mage changes are a long way out... and the Paladins, who are getting their review in 1.9 (next patch), have yet to receive tidbits on what they're getting. I sympathize with the desire, but it'll be a while before we have any tidbits to share with you.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:57:31 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
I understand that shammies have there problems in PvE, but is it as bad as mages?!? I can heal, I can drop totems, I can do DPS, I can OOC rez.
Does it doesn't sound like they have too many problems in the PvE area, not saying there aren't any.
And Mages can do damage, crowd control, and aid your group with your buff and utility.
What is left out of both of these statements is how well they're done or if any problems exist; both of us merely rattled off feature lists.
Understand this bit about Shaman, also -- remember that they're specific to a faction, and the other faction-specific class is getting significant changes in 1.9. Now, the Priest's issues are considered far more pressing than the Shaman's, so the Priests are after the Paladins -- but the need to ensure the balance between Shaman and Paladin power is also something to keep in mind.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:59:32 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Cay i have a simple question for you.
Do you think it is ok that one class is as you put it invinceable in 1 on 1 combat?
because if you are invincable in one on one what if there are 15 of you.
I did not say invincible.
I said that they are quite incredible in that situation.
I also said that the game is not balanced around 1v1 PvP in the slightest.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:01:43 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Crowd control = polymorph? Hello, that was nerfed multiple times. It's not nearely the best CC in the game, especially with the NUMEROUS ways to get out of it.
buff my group with... ai? wow, im sure thats gonna help me kill people in pvp.
utility = decoy?
OUR DAMAGE IS NOT SPECIAL. EVERY CLASS, AS YOU SAY, DOES DAMAGE.
Kindly read the entirety of my post, Proxy. Not once did I say that all of these were done "well".
If you wish to be inflammatory, you will be subject to the consequences. I would rather have a civil discussion.
Turn the caps lock key off.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:04:23 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Ok, I can understand because your buffing/revamping palys that shammies need the same fav. I guess what I'm saying is, does it req a whole patch, i.e. 1-2 months of waiting just to touch up the shammies? Its just annoying how a class that is doing well in PvE and PvP is getting a look over b4 mages -_-.
P.S. your the first CM that talked to me <3
P.S.S. I'm talking about end game PvE, cant sheep Rag's Sons 8)>
Class balance can't be done quickly, Zerosum. It requires a lot of checks and balances, testing in countless situations. We attempted to do two classes at once for a while -- 1.7 was supposed to have Hunters and Druids, if you'll recall, and then 1.8 was originally slated to have both Druids and Paladins. The designers came to the realization that the time necessary to properly review the class and test the changes was too great to tackle two classes for a single patch.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:05:33 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
so we're fine because we suck at everything? except, what, AOEing? Which isnt viable in PVP because of the numerous stuns in the game.
Yea, I'm sure being CCd wasnt fun 6 months ago, but being stunned and killed in two-three hits is.
Where precisely in this post did I state your class was fine?
Be civil, please.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:14:23 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Hire more freaking class designers. Or would you rather just write a nice little post explaining about how you can't afford it?
I heard you the first time, Toriin.
I don't know if you quite understand the designer hiring process. Game Designer is not an entry-level position, and hiring someone to fill a spot in an already running team is a difficult search for someone with not only the right experience and mentality, but the proper chemistry to work well with the people you already have.
Of course, this is moot, since we're not currently hiring class designers.
The solution is not necessarily to throw more people at a problem, Toriin. That causes more problems than it solves. If we had a humungous designer class team of, oh, 50 people, the game would suffer tremendously for it. Too many cooks, in this case, spoil the broth. Players already complain that the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing on our team -- why do you think this would be alleviated with more people? When it comes to class balance, it is far better to have a tight-knit group of designers that understand where each other stand and communicate well, rather than throwing more designers at the situation who may not have the same mentality.
In summary: no. Not right now. The team is fine as-is.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:15:46 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Does Class review include Itemization reviews?
Or is that a different department and we can expect more upgrades in thsoe before the "Mage Review" Per se'?
That is entirely different and constantly ongoing. I do believe the Tier 2 sets are getting some minor tweaks in 1.9 for example, and the oft-mentioned "Spell Penetration" effect on certain weapons will also be introduced in that patch.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:17:37 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
One thing to keep in mind is that priorities can change. I'm sure a year or so ago (maybe more) you guys decided what the priority list should be for class reviews and I'm sure it made a lot of sense then. Things have changed. I ask you, what would the priority list be now based on the current state of the game? Would it be the same?
It's constantly being looked at and reviewed, actually. It's not something stagnant. Originally Shaman were after Paladin; now it's Priest. That changed a few weeks ago. The Mage position has not changed.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
There was a picture at Blizzcon that had a staff with a chance to lower resistances when a damage spell was cast on the target. I believe it might be something along this vein.
That's precisely what it is, yes. A "proc on spellcast" weapon effect that lowers the target's resistances.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:50 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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Q u o t e:
Yes, but I heard from another source that this was from a "Make-an-Item" contest of some sort.
That source was incorrect. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:30:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community |
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I also want to state this before it starts:
At some point, I am going to leave this thread. I am not leaving this thread because "Blizzard is going back to ignoring Mages". We're not ignoring you; never have. I do, however, have other job duties that are a large chunk of my day, and cannot spend the entirety of my day/week/month responding to a single thread. We'll still be here. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:20:51 PM PST
Subject: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Hello. I know I'm not Eyonix or Tseric, but I hope you'll give a listen anyway. :)
I know that many of you are frustrated with your class. You have concerns, gripes, and suggestions regarding how it plays and how it fits the "role". You're doing your best to get this seen, and I sympathize, I do.
However, please understand that the Mage class is not going to be moved up in priority at this time when it comes to class reviews.
This sounds disappointing, I'm aware. Neglectful. The problems you have with the class stare you in the face every time you log in. They're significant! There are problems that need to be resolved! You're doing everything in your power to make Blizzard listen, and you're getting no satisfactory response! Why doesn't Blizzard do anything about these obvious problems?!
Now, this is not mockery. The above statements are slightly modified thoughts of my own from my eight years of MMO gaming. I understand well the fist-balling frustration you can feel when you see obvious problems in the game but simply cannot get them addressed despite using the correct avenues.
Here, though, I work with the developers as well, and although I was aware of their differing mentality prior to my hiring, my understanding of its use has grown. They need to view the game as a whole, to look at all classes rather than one. It was determined that all classes should get a review of some type, but in order to get the job done, a priority list had to be made -- from most needing attention to least.
The Mage class isn't necessarily "fine". It's not being ignored. The developers are not 100% happy with it. However, in the grand scheme of things, Mages have less problems than the classes before them. They do have issues, and the developers intend to resolve them, but there are more pressing concerns.
Now, I know that this goes against your personal experiences in many cases. All I ask of you for now is to keep a healthy sense of perspective. The developers know about your issues. You're not being ignored. Mages will have their time. It's simply not yet.
I am aware that it may try your patience to ask for more of it, but please, bear with us a bit longer. Your day will come. :)
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:47:12 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Shaman are incredible in 1v1 PvP. No one disputes that.
The game isn't balanced around 1v1 PvP, however. It's easy to point to duels or fights that are similar and say that Shaman certainly don't have problems.
There are, however, some issues with Shaman in PvE environments that do need to be addressed. I know it's very easy to put your own issues before others' when you're so much closer to them, and I don't fault you for it, but there are indeed some problems with the Shaman class in certain aspects that need addressing.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:49:04 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Yeah, it is amazing how unproductive they are when it comes to examining the classes.
For the love of god, stop spending time putting in new level 23 quests and $!@%ty content, and focus on the basics of the game.
Jesus christ, this is stuff that should have been done in Beta, or at least all at once. Mages have to suffer through 11+ months of being underpowered because we are DEAD LAST in getting a review? Every class will get buffed, and we have to just live through it all, with all the same bugs, all the same problems, even more resists and a growing trend towards melee domination. And the best they can come up with is "We know it sucks, sorry."
Absolutely f*cking ridiculous.
Quest designers are not class designers. There are different teams that focus on different aspects of the game. The class designers focus solely on balancing the classes -- they're not working on the other "[omitted] content" you claim is a waste of time.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:51:41 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
This is asking a bit much, but I figure it can't hurt to ask...
Can you give us a little preview of something we MIGHT get? that is, if you know what the plans are...hehe
If you have any "patch teasers," so to speak, let us hear 'em! :D
Every class that has been buffed has recieved a very significant one. I'm excited to see what mages will be getting ;) or at least a sneak peak
Mage changes are a long way out... and the Paladins, who are getting their review in 1.9 (next patch), have yet to receive tidbits on what they're getting. I sympathize with the desire, but it'll be a while before we have any tidbits to share with you.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:57:31 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
I understand that shammies have there problems in PvE, but is it as bad as mages?!? I can heal, I can drop totems, I can do DPS, I can OOC rez.
Does it doesn't sound like they have too many problems in the PvE area, not saying there aren't any.
And Mages can do damage, crowd control, and aid your group with your buff and utility.
What is left out of both of these statements is how well they're done or if any problems exist; both of us merely rattled off feature lists.
Understand this bit about Shaman, also -- remember that they're specific to a faction, and the other faction-specific class is getting significant changes in 1.9. Now, the Priest's issues are considered far more pressing than the Shaman's, so the Priests are after the Paladins -- but the need to ensure the balance between Shaman and Paladin power is also something to keep in mind.
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You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:59:32 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Cay i have a simple question for you.
Do you think it is ok that one class is as you put it invinceable in 1 on 1 combat?
because if you are invincable in one on one what if there are 15 of you.
I did not say invincible.
I said that they are quite incredible in that situation.
I also said that the game is not balanced around 1v1 PvP in the slightest.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:01:43 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Crowd control = polymorph? Hello, that was nerfed multiple times. It's not nearely the best CC in the game, especially with the NUMEROUS ways to get out of it.
buff my group with... ai? wow, im sure thats gonna help me kill people in pvp.
utility = decoy?
OUR DAMAGE IS NOT SPECIAL. EVERY CLASS, AS YOU SAY, DOES DAMAGE.
Kindly read the entirety of my post, Proxy. Not once did I say that all of these were done "well".
If you wish to be inflammatory, you will be subject to the consequences. I would rather have a civil discussion.
Turn the caps lock key off.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:04:23 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Ok, I can understand because your buffing/revamping palys that shammies need the same fav. I guess what I'm saying is, does it req a whole patch, i.e. 1-2 months of waiting just to touch up the shammies? Its just annoying how a class that is doing well in PvE and PvP is getting a look over b4 mages -_-.
P.S. your the first CM that talked to me <3
P.S.S. I'm talking about end game PvE, cant sheep Rag's Sons 8)>
Class balance can't be done quickly, Zerosum. It requires a lot of checks and balances, testing in countless situations. We attempted to do two classes at once for a while -- 1.7 was supposed to have Hunters and Druids, if you'll recall, and then 1.8 was originally slated to have both Druids and Paladins. The designers came to the realization that the time necessary to properly review the class and test the changes was too great to tackle two classes for a single patch.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:05:33 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
so we're fine because we suck at everything? except, what, AOEing? Which isnt viable in PVP because of the numerous stuns in the game.
Yea, I'm sure being CCd wasnt fun 6 months ago, but being stunned and killed in two-three hits is.
Where precisely in this post did I state your class was fine?
Be civil, please.
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You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:14:23 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Hire more freaking class designers. Or would you rather just write a nice little post explaining about how you can't afford it?
I heard you the first time, Toriin.
I don't know if you quite understand the designer hiring process. Game Designer is not an entry-level position, and hiring someone to fill a spot in an already running team is a difficult search for someone with not only the right experience and mentality, but the proper chemistry to work well with the people you already have.
Of course, this is moot, since we're not currently hiring class designers.
The solution is not necessarily to throw more people at a problem, Toriin. That causes more problems than it solves. If we had a humungous designer class team of, oh, 50 people, the game would suffer tremendously for it. Too many cooks, in this case, spoil the broth. Players already complain that the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing on our team -- why do you think this would be alleviated with more people? When it comes to class balance, it is far better to have a tight-knit group of designers that understand where each other stand and communicate well, rather than throwing more designers at the situation who may not have the same mentality.
In summary: no. Not right now. The team is fine as-is.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:15:46 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Does Class review include Itemization reviews?
Or is that a different department and we can expect more upgrades in thsoe before the "Mage Review" Per se'?
That is entirely different and constantly ongoing. I do believe the Tier 2 sets are getting some minor tweaks in 1.9 for example, and the oft-mentioned "Spell Penetration" effect on certain weapons will also be introduced in that patch.
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You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:17:37 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
One thing to keep in mind is that priorities can change. I'm sure a year or so ago (maybe more) you guys decided what the priority list should be for class reviews and I'm sure it made a lot of sense then. Things have changed. I ask you, what would the priority list be now based on the current state of the game? Would it be the same?
It's constantly being looked at and reviewed, actually. It's not something stagnant. Originally Shaman were after Paladin; now it's Priest. That changed a few weeks ago. The Mage position has not changed.
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You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
There was a picture at Blizzcon that had a staff with a chance to lower resistances when a damage spell was cast on the target. I believe it might be something along this vein.
That's precisely what it is, yes. A "proc on spellcast" weapon effect that lowers the target's resistances.
It's dark.
You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:50 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Yes, but I heard from another source that this was from a "Make-an-Item" contest of some sort.
That source was incorrect. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:30:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: A Statement for the Mage Community *edited post* |
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I also want to state this before it starts:
At some point, I am going to leave this thread. I am not leaving this thread because "Blizzard is going back to ignoring Mages". We're not ignoring you; never have. I do, however, have other job duties that are a large chunk of my day, and cannot spend the entirety of my day/week/month responding to a single thread. We'll still be here. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:47:12 PM PST
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Shaman are incredible in 1v1 PvP. No one disputes that.
The game isn't balanced around 1v1 PvP, however. It's easy to point to duels or fights that are similar and say that Shaman certainly don't have problems.
There are, however, some issues with Shaman in PvE environments that do need to be addressed. I know it's very easy to put your own issues before others' when you're so much closer to them, and I don't fault you for it, but there are indeed some problems with the Shaman class in certain aspects that need addressing.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:49:04 PM PST
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Yeah, it is amazing how unproductive they are when it comes to examining the classes.
For the love of god, stop spending time putting in new level 23 quests and $!@%ty content, and focus on the basics of the game.
Jesus christ, this is stuff that should have been done in Beta, or at least all at once. Mages have to suffer through 11+ months of being underpowered because we are DEAD LAST in getting a review? Every class will get buffed, and we have to just live through it all, with all the same bugs, all the same problems, even more resists and a growing trend towards melee domination. And the best they can come up with is "We know it sucks, sorry."
Absolutely f*cking ridiculous.
Quest designers are not class designers. There are different teams that focus on different aspects of the game. The class designers focus solely on balancing the classes -- they're not working on the other "[omitted] content" you claim is a waste of time.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:51:41 PM PST
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This is asking a bit much, but I figure it can't hurt to ask...
Can you give us a little preview of something we MIGHT get? that is, if you know what the plans are...hehe
If you have any "patch teasers," so to speak, let us hear 'em! :D
Every class that has been buffed has recieved a very significant one. I'm excited to see what mages will be getting ;) or at least a sneak peak
Mage changes are a long way out... and the Paladins, who are getting their review in 1.9 (next patch), have yet to receive tidbits on what they're getting. I sympathize with the desire, but it'll be a while before we have any tidbits to share with you.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:57:31 PM PST
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I understand that shammies have there problems in PvE, but is it as bad as mages?!? I can heal, I can drop totems, I can do DPS, I can OOC rez.
Does it doesn't sound like they have too many problems in the PvE area, not saying there aren't any.
And Mages can do damage, crowd control, and aid your group with your buff and utility.
What is left out of both of these statements is how well they're done or if any problems exist; both of us merely rattled off feature lists.
Understand this bit about Shaman, also -- remember that they're specific to a faction, and the other faction-specific class is getting significant changes in 1.9. Now, the Priest's issues are considered far more pressing than the Shaman's, so the Priests are after the Paladins -- but the need to ensure the balance between Shaman and Paladin power is also something to keep in mind.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 12:59:32 PM PST
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Cay i have a simple question for you.
Do you think it is ok that one class is as you put it invinceable in 1 on 1 combat?
because if you are invincable in one on one what if there are 15 of you.
I did not say invincible.
I said that they are quite incredible in that situation.
I also said that the game is not balanced around 1v1 PvP in the slightest.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:01:43 PM PST
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Crowd control = polymorph? Hello, that was nerfed multiple times. It's not nearely the best CC in the game, especially with the NUMEROUS ways to get out of it.
buff my group with... ai? wow, im sure thats gonna help me kill people in pvp.
utility = decoy?
OUR DAMAGE IS NOT SPECIAL. EVERY CLASS, AS YOU SAY, DOES DAMAGE.
Kindly read the entirety of my post, Proxy. Not once did I say that all of these were done "well".
If you wish to be inflammatory, you will be subject to the consequences. I would rather have a civil discussion.
Turn the caps lock key off.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:04:23 PM PST
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Ok, I can understand because your buffing/revamping palys that shammies need the same fav. I guess what I'm saying is, does it req a whole patch, i.e. 1-2 months of waiting just to touch up the shammies? Its just annoying how a class that is doing well in PvE and PvP is getting a look over b4 mages -_-.
P.S. your the first CM that talked to me <3
P.S.S. I'm talking about end game PvE, cant sheep Rag's Sons 8)>
Class balance can't be done quickly, Zerosum. It requires a lot of checks and balances, testing in countless situations. We attempted to do two classes at once for a while -- 1.7 was supposed to have Hunters and Druids, if you'll recall, and then 1.8 was originally slated to have both Druids and Paladins. The designers came to the realization that the time necessary to properly review the class and test the changes was too great to tackle two classes for a single patch.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:05:33 PM PST
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so we're fine because we suck at everything? except, what, AOEing? Which isnt viable in PVP because of the numerous stuns in the game.
Yea, I'm sure being CCd wasnt fun 6 months ago, but being stunned and killed in two-three hits is.
Where precisely in this post did I state your class was fine?
Be civil, please.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:14:23 PM PST
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Hire more freaking class designers. Or would you rather just write a nice little post explaining about how you can't afford it?
I heard you the first time, Toriin.
I don't know if you quite understand the designer hiring process. Game Designer is not an entry-level position, and hiring someone to fill a spot in an already running team is a difficult search for someone with not only the right experience and mentality, but the proper chemistry to work well with the people you already have.
Of course, this is moot, since we're not currently hiring class designers.
The solution is not necessarily to throw more people at a problem, Toriin. That causes more problems than it solves. If we had a humungous designer class team of, oh, 50 people, the game would suffer tremendously for it. Too many cooks, in this case, spoil the broth. Players already complain that the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing on our team -- why do you think this would be alleviated with more people? When it comes to class balance, it is far better to have a tight-knit group of designers that understand where each other stand and communicate well, rather than throwing more designers at the situation who may not have the same mentality.
In summary: no. Not right now. The team is fine as-is.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:15:46 PM PST
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Does Class review include Itemization reviews?
Or is that a different department and we can expect more upgrades in thsoe before the "Mage Review" Per se'?
That is entirely different and constantly ongoing. I do believe the Tier 2 sets are getting some minor tweaks in 1.9 for example, and the oft-mentioned "Spell Penetration" effect on certain weapons will also be introduced in that patch.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:17:37 PM PST
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One thing to keep in mind is that priorities can change. I'm sure a year or so ago (maybe more) you guys decided what the priority list should be for class reviews and I'm sure it made a lot of sense then. Things have changed. I ask you, what would the priority list be now based on the current state of the game? Would it be the same?
It's constantly being looked at and reviewed, actually. It's not something stagnant. Originally Shaman were after Paladin; now it's Priest. That changed a few weeks ago. The Mage position has not changed.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:24 PM PST
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There was a picture at Blizzcon that had a staff with a chance to lower resistances when a damage spell was cast on the target. I believe it might be something along this vein.
That's precisely what it is, yes. A "proc on spellcast" weapon effect that lowers the target's resistances.
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:19:50 PM PST
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Yes, but I heard from another source that this was from a "Make-an-Item" contest of some sort.
That source was incorrect. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 11/16/2005 1:30:24 PM PST
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I also want to state this before it starts:
At some point, I am going to leave this thread. I am not leaving this thread because "Blizzard is going back to ignoring Mages". We're not ignoring you; never have. I do, however, have other job duties that are a large chunk of my day, and cannot spend the entirety of my day/week/month responding to a single thread. We'll still be here. :)
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