Poster: Vio at 6/4/2005 2:34:36 AM PDT
Subject: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next patch |
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The much-celebrated thread confirming the bug and its priority:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-realm-test&T=40937&P=1
The first post originally said:
Q u o t e:
Due to all of the feedback we have received, and thanks to Caydiem, we will be working to resolve the hunter cooldown bug this patch. Unfortunately, that means bad news for us here, as it leads to some extra overtime (I didn't have much planned anyways :P). Thanks for all of your patience in regards to this matter.
-Hortus
It has been changed to read:
Q u o t e:
Due to all of the feedback we have received, and thanks to Caydiem, we are going be working to resolve the hunter cooldown bug. Unfortunately, that means bad news for us here, as it leads to some extra overtime (I didn't have much planned anyways :P). Thanks for all of your patience in regards to this matter.
-Hortus
The key line is as follows (from the original post, emphasis added):
Q u o t e:
Due to all of the feedback we have received, and thanks to Caydiem, we will be working to resolve the hunter cooldown bug THIS PATCH.
You can scan the thread to see where people have quoted the original OP.
So, our great acknowledgement has been quietly altered to remove any mention that this bug will be fixed for the coming patch.
Conclusion: The cooldown bug will go live, and evidence to contrary promises has been eliminated.
Why would they call off the fix, after they made a big deal about hearing our concerns, thanking Cay, and moaning about working overtime? I think because they found they could not fix as easily as they expected. That the problem runs so deep amongst the mish-mash of sloppy coding and patches on our class, it'll have to be deferred to the general overhaul of Hunters, whenever the hell that happens.
Vio receives loot: [Broken I.W.I.N. Button]
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 8:26:15 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next patch |
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Vio.... you've done this several times. If it was a one-time instance, I'd be more forgiving, but now you're jumping to conclusions and inciting others, the latter of which is in fact trolling.
Your conclusions are nothing but unfounded rumor.
The reason that was removed is because we don't want to promise anything, and Hortus unfortunately overstepped his bounds a bit on that post. They're still working overtime into the weekend and we're still striving to get it fixed as soon as possible, which we certainly hope to be this patch. At the same time, if we promised it by this patch -- which the original post still didn't do, but most people were taking it that way -- there would be further cries of "lies!" which we're trying to avoid.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 8:26:15 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next patch *edited post* |
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Vio.... you've done this several times. If it was a one-time instance, I'd be more forgiving, but now you're jumping to conclusions and inciting others, the latter of which is in fact trolling.
Your conclusions are nothing but unfounded rumor.
The reason that was removed is because we don't want to promise anything, and Hortus unfortunately overstepped his bounds a bit on that post. They're still working overtime into the weekend and we're still striving to get it fixed as soon as possible, which we certainly hope to be this patch. At the same time, if we promised it by this patch -- which the original post still didn't do, but most people were taking it that way -- there would be further cries of "lies!" which we're trying to avoid. Because everyone was taking it as a promise, that bit was removed.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 9:01:14 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Q u o t e:
Cay, don't try to change the focus here. Vio is only posting exactly what all of us are also thinking. I arrived at the same conclusion based on the "new" language of the post. Vio is not trolling, only stating the obvious.
You can wordsmith and spin all you want. The bottom line is that Blizzard is not committed to fixing this bug prior to the release of 1.5. If you were, then you would simply state that 1.5 will not be released until the bug is fixed.
If this goes live, I will cancel my account. That is a commitment, I assure you.
We are committed to fixing it prior to the patch going live, but I'm not promising anything. Let's go into why.
This should be a simple fix, but if for some reason the fix manages to break several other key systems, do you believe we should go live with the patch anyway? If it made people crash upon login, for example? We absolutely want to fix this for 1.5, make no mistake about that, but at the same time we're not saying "Yes!" until the fix goes through QA thoroughly.
Is that understandable?
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 9:45:39 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Q u o t e:
You've just confirmed his original post.
How is that trolling?
Cay, lay off Vio.
His post says that we're not fixing it in this patch.
I confirmed no such thing.
Vio may be popular, but that does not mean his original post is any less destructive to the community, and I will take action in accordance with the Code of Conduct.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 9:54:41 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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FYI, because there's been a lot of confusion on this subject and you folks certainly don't trust any information that comes from me on it anymore, I'm doing what I can to get one of the lead QA folks to post, explaining in detail the difference between 1.4 and 1.5, how the change is perceived on the user's end, and why.
We still do plan on fixing it before 1.5 goes live, and that's where we stand right now. I can give no confirmation either way.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 10:18:25 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Q u o t e:
Wait. I'm not a hunter but I'd just like to point something out here. Didn't you say earlier that you couldn't fix this until a patch after 1.5 and that the problem was that fiddling with some other code caused it to break? Now, this seems odd considering here, you basically are saying you can't apply the fix until you know it doesn't hurt other players.
You understand the issue? You are telling hunters that the code that created this was okay to keep in, but the code that fixes it... well that simply isn't too important.
There's a timeline of events here, and I'll try to explain...
When this first cropped up on Thursday night, the fix was slated to come after 1.5. This was also the case on Friday morning, when others came in and explained the situation to me, that it was a UI change only and would not be the 2 second + change in using those shots that it appeared to be on the surface. At that time, the decision still stood to change it after 1.5 -- soon after 1.5, but still after the patch was live.
QA started taking a deeper look at it, however, to confirm the information I was given by the developers; and the Hunter community also sprang into the act, posting logs and videos that claimed a greater discrepency than what had been explained. After reviewing everything, it was determined that this bug -- which has been in game in some form before 1.4 -- should be fixed by the next patch if at all possible. That's where we stand today. If for any reason -- unlikely, mind you -- this does not get fixed, I will come to you with the reasons why, but for now QA is testing the whole shabang.
I will post again on this issue when I have an update.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 10:27:11 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Q u o t e:
this would be the bug that your pr dept told you to claim didnt exist right?
sorry cay but an old saying springs to mind
when you shoot yourself in the foot dont for the love of g-d reload.
We never once said it was intended or that it didn't exist. Not once. Read through the posts.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 10:36:27 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Q u o t e:
these being the posts you guys editted or deleted over the last day then
PLEASE READ: Regarding the Cooldown Bug | 6/3/2005 11:01:56 AM PDT
Hunters have recently been concerned that there is a bug going into the game in patch 1.5 that adds ranged weapon speed to the Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, and Multi-Shot Hunter ability cool downs.
I received some clarification from the developers today, and...
This is false -- the cool down for Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, and Multi-Shot is not increasing in patch 1.5
And that's not a lie. It isn't, server-side, which is how that statement was determined.
Again, I hope to have more clarification for you at some point. It's the weekend, however, so I can't say precisely when that will come.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 4:32:19 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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Malchelo, I've never had a name even remotely close to that, and I did not work for that game.
My taking action in accordance with the Code of Conduct is perfectly within my rights. If you do have contact with Vio, suggest that he check his eMail, but keep it off this board.
Also, be advised that insulting anyone -- Blizzard employee or fellow player -- is against policy and action will be taken if you continue to breach this rule. This is your last warning.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/4/2005 4:46:27 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Update: Cooldown fix removed from next pa |
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I urge you to eMail wowcmfeedback@blizzard.com if you have any feedback regarding the performance of the community team; do not post such here. That eMail address goes directly to my supervisor and although you may not get a response, it will be read.
As far as the rest of the thread... I am not going to fight with the community. I have given what information I have available to me. I have said that I'm working on getting more information to you regarding the state of the bug and how it worked in 1.4 and prior, as well as 1.5. I've given you the current state of the bug. That's all I can give you right now.
I'm not going to defend myself against you further. I've already explained what happened, and continuing to react to the insults and jibes thrown my way will only worsen the situation.
When the situation changes, I'll post. Until that time, I have nothing more to add.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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