Poster: Own at 8/17/2006 7:45:08 PM PDT
Subject: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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So here I am trying out WoW on a PvE server. I make it to level 14 with my hunter who now has a whopping 20 silver and a 2 greens to his name.
I decide that a break from questing would be fun and decide to try out BG. Little did I know the fun has been removed from low level BG's, competely.
I find the battlegrounds are now full of level 19's with guild names like "Twinking Ain't Easy" and "Twink and Taxes" or any other funny play on the Twink word. Some people take it to the extreme and name their characters something silly with the word Twink in it, Twinkolio comes to mind. I even have some of these twinks on my team. I inspect them and find mostly blues and green in all slots, that's pretty common at level 19, sure. Most have brightly glowing weapons all the same color though, fiery red.
I get totally demolished. I mean smoked. I have level 19 twink rogues killing me in a few blows. Level 19 mages tearing me apart. My skills must suck at WoW right, that's what you are gonna say!
So here is my problem. I think twinking is a bad thing to let happen in this game. It is bad for the economy causing inflation of pricing at low levels. It kills the fun for new players joining the game trying to enjoy a PvP game. It promotes exploit like gaming where people take advantage of the system to create and unfair advantage over other players.
I propose, get rid of twinking. I think an easy fix to the problem would be to change the way XP is given out at the end of a BG. Instead of giving XP only when you turn in 3 tokens, reduce that amount given and force some when you end a BG. This would allow people to hang out at level 19 for a while still but eventually be forced to level. That would bring the fun back into the game.
So Blue, you don't support Twinking do you?
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:02:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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Thx for the response blue, but if there are only a couple twinks q'ing, can they still be in the same BG?
Well, keep in mind that this is going to be after cross-realm battlegrounds, so you're going to be playing against a much larger pool of players. However, to answer your question, the matching system will begin widening its search to a point for the criteria it checks just so you can get into a game. Meaning that you can certainly be matched against players of various makeups, but it's better than not playing a game at all.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:11:49 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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Q u o t e:
Hold on, stop the thread!!
Drysc, you agreed that the new term for twink would be "Muffin" remember? That was an old school decision!
Doh. Next time.
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:07:55 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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Q u o t e:
Take off gear.
Queue up.
Join battleground.
Put gear back on.
gg
It will check your bags. I would give you an 'A for effort' but you were kind of a jerk about it. So, C+.
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:27:18 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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They are both bad. I am sad to read that we will have to face these elite teams in the expansion. Pretty pathetic CM, so after a certain amount of time it will place the non epic team against those raid teams we hate so much. Guess what this will be abused. Raid teams will time it so they miss the other raid teams, or win the other raid teams are fighting non epic players they will jump in que. This crap happens now, why don't you think it would still happen then?
If they can coordinate such an effort with every team on every other realm in their battlegroup, it would be quite a feat. It could still happen, but it's going to be an extreme and probably not the norm. Why not wait and see how the system works before insulting me? I would appreciate it.
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:43:44 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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But please, there IS a limit. All I would ask is to put certain LEVEL REQUIREMENTS on ENCHANTMENTS!! This is the only part that disturbs me because it boosts a players stats to an EXTREME level, way, way, WAY beyond the level that could at any time be feasable. Most of the time twink equipment is only slighty better than someone who was a hardcore spelunker (dungeon diver, whatever) and farmed thier items. However, paying hundreds of gold for dual crusader enchants on both weapons plus +agi enchants on all thier armor is rediculous! The rogue then becomes what seems like 20 lvls higher!
The matching system will take care of that to some extent, but moving forward into the expansion we are planning on putting item level requirements on any new enchants that warrant it. We aren't planning any retroactive changes for current enchants however. There are some frightening implications if we were to do so, and as I said the matching system will help to try to match players a bit better.
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? |
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Someone probably already said this in the 1000 pages between the blue response and mine, but I wanna say it anyway.
I call bull%$@#. Twinks do NOT twink out characters to go up against other twinked out characters. They twink so they can run through non-twinks without effort. If you put a matching system in place, the twinks will stop BGs because they won't be on ezmode any more.
That may be true for some players, and if that's the case, and we make it hard for them to match up against "easy prey", that's fine. The twinks I know in real life, and the ones I have talked to, don't like mowing through the non-twink groups. It's boring to them, I know it would be boring to me. The reason why they devote so much time and money to these characters is because they have a desire to play characters in a PvP environment at levels which they believe are the most balanced for PvP.
Now if someone makes a twink just so he can roll over normal players, and the matching system puts him into groups with other twinks? Good. It's doing its job.
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Someone probably already said this in the 1000 pages between the blue response and mine, but I wanna say it anyway.
I call bull%$@#. Twinks do NOT twink out characters to go up against other twinked out characters. They twink so they can run through non-twinks without effort. If you put a matching system in place, the twinks will stop BGs because they won't be on ezmode any more.
That may be true for some players, and if that's the case, and we make it hard for them to match up against "easy prey", that's fine. The twinks I know in real life, and the ones I have talked to, don't like mowing through the non-twink groups. It's boring to them, I know it would be boring to me. The reason why they devote so much time and money to these characters is because they have a desire to play characters in a PvP environment at levels which they believe are the most balanced for PvP.
Now if someone makes a twink just so he can roll over normal players, and the matching system puts him into groups with other twinks? Good. It's doing its job.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:02:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Thx for the response blue, but if there are only a couple twinks q'ing, can they still be in the same BG?
Well, keep in mind that this is going to be after cross-realm battlegrounds, so you're going to be playing against a much larger pool of players. However, to answer your question, the matching system will begin widening its search to a point for the criteria it checks just so you can get into a game. Meaning that you can certainly be matched against players of various makeups, but it's better than not playing a game at all.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:11:49 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Hold on, stop the thread!!
Drysc, you agreed that the new term for twink would be "Muffin" remember? That was an old school decision!
Doh. Next time.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:07:55 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Take off gear.
Queue up.
Join battleground.
Put gear back on.
gg
It will check your bags. I would give you an 'A for effort' but you were kind of a jerk about it. So, C+.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:27:18 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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They are both bad. I am sad to read that we will have to face these elite teams in the expansion. Pretty pathetic CM, so after a certain amount of time it will place the non epic team against those raid teams we hate so much. Guess what this will be abused. Raid teams will time it so they miss the other raid teams, or win the other raid teams are fighting non epic players they will jump in que. This crap happens now, why don't you think it would still happen then?
If they can coordinate such an effort with every team on every other realm in their battlegroup, it would be quite a feat. It could still happen, but it's going to be an extreme and probably not the norm. Why not wait and see how the system works before insulting me? I would appreciate it.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:43:44 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
But please, there IS a limit. All I would ask is to put certain LEVEL REQUIREMENTS on ENCHANTMENTS!! This is the only part that disturbs me because it boosts a players stats to an EXTREME level, way, way, WAY beyond the level that could at any time be feasable. Most of the time twink equipment is only slighty better than someone who was a hardcore spelunker (dungeon diver, whatever) and farmed thier items. However, paying hundreds of gold for dual crusader enchants on both weapons plus +agi enchants on all thier armor is rediculous! The rogue then becomes what seems like 20 lvls higher!
The matching system will take care of that to some extent, but moving forward into the expansion we are planning on putting item level requirements on any new enchants that warrant it. We aren't planning any retroactive changes for current enchants however. There are some frightening implications if we were to do so, and as I said the matching system will help to try to match players a bit better.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Someone probably already said this in the 1000 pages between the blue response and mine, but I wanna say it anyway.
I call bull%$@#. Twinks do NOT twink out characters to go up against other twinked out characters. They twink so they can run through non-twinks without effort. If you put a matching system in place, the twinks will stop BGs because they won't be on ezmode any more.
That may be true for some players, and if that's the case, and we make it hard for them to match up against "easy prey", that's fine. The twinks I know in real life, and the ones I have talked to, don't like mowing through the non-twink groups. It's boring to them, I know it would be boring to me. The reason why they devote so much time and money to these characters is because they have a desire to play characters in a PvP environment at levels which they believe are the most balanced for PvP.
Now if someone makes a twink just so he can roll over normal players, and the matching system puts him into groups with other twinks? Good. It's doing its job.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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It's something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. It's something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isn't about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, it's about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. It's an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
I'm kind of getting away from my point though. It's definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem we're planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. It's not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:02:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Thx for the response blue, but if there are only a couple twinks q'ing, can they still be in the same BG?
Well, keep in mind that this is going to be after cross-realm battlegrounds, so you're going to be playing against a much larger pool of players. However, to answer your question, the matching system will begin widening its search to a point for the criteria it checks just so you can get into a game. Meaning that you can certainly be matched against players of various makeups, but it's better than not playing a game at all.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9567999 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 9:11:49 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Hold on, stop the thread!!
Drysc, you agreed that the new term for twink would be "Muffin" remember? That was an old school decision!
Doh. Next time.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9568086 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:07:55 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Take off gear.
Queue up.
Join battleground.
Put gear back on.
gg
It will check your bags. I would give you an 'A for effort' but you were kind of a jerk about it. So, C+.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9570539 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:27:18 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
They are both bad. I am sad to read that we will have to face these elite teams in the expansion. Pretty pathetic CM, so after a certain amount of time it will place the non epic team against those raid teams we hate so much. Guess what this will be abused. Raid teams will time it so they miss the other raid teams, or win the other raid teams are fighting non epic players they will jump in que. This crap happens now, why don't you think it would still happen then?
If they can coordinate such an effort with every team on every other realm in their battlegroup, it would be quite a feat. It could still happen, but it's going to be an extreme and probably not the norm. Why not wait and see how the system works before insulting me? I would appreciate it.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9570604 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 1:43:44 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
But please, there IS a limit. All I would ask is to put certain LEVEL REQUIREMENTS on ENCHANTMENTS!! This is the only part that disturbs me because it boosts a players stats to an EXTREME level, way, way, WAY beyond the level that could at any time be feasable. Most of the time twink equipment is only slighty better than someone who was a hardcore spelunker (dungeon diver, whatever) and farmed thier items. However, paying hundreds of gold for dual crusader enchants on both weapons plus +agi enchants on all thier armor is rediculous! The rogue then becomes what seems like 20 lvls higher!
The matching system will take care of that to some extent, but moving forward into the expansion we are planning on putting item level requirements on any new enchants that warrant it. We aren't planning any retroactive changes for current enchants however. There are some frightening implications if we were to do so, and as I said the matching system will help to try to match players a bit better.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9570687 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/18/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Someone probably already said this in the 1000 pages between the blue response and mine, but I wanna say it anyway.
I call bull%$@#. Twinks do NOT twink out characters to go up against other twinked out characters. They twink so they can run through non-twinks without effort. If you put a matching system in place, the twinks will stop BGs because they won't be on ezmode any more.
That may be true for some players, and if that's the case, and we make it hard for them to match up against "easy prey", that's fine. The twinks I know in real life, and the ones I have talked to, don't like mowing through the non-twink groups. It's boring to them, I know it would be boring to me. The reason why they devote so much time and money to these characters is because they have a desire to play characters in a PvP environment at levels which they believe are the most balanced for PvP.
Now if someone makes a twink just so he can roll over normal players, and the matching system puts him into groups with other twinks? Good. It's doing its job.
shine on 'til the two become one
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| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9567212&p=#post9574971 |
Poster: Drysc at 8/17/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blue, You don't support TWINKING do you? *edited post* |
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Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.
Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents.
shine on 'til the two become one
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