Poster: Kevra at 12/6/2005 10:45:42 PM PST
Subject: Cay is full of it about the ten minute rule.. |
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From the patch notes on the front page!
"Patch 1.8.4
Battlegrounds
Battles must now last at least ten minutes after the start of the battle in order for the losing team to receive a Mark of Honor.
World
New quests for the Feast of Winter Veil have been added! See your Smokywood Pastures customer service representative in Ironforge and Orgrimmar for more details!
The level of many of last year's Feast of Winter Veil quests have been adjusted so that reputation rewards are available in their full amount for players of all levels able to do them.
Fixed a bug with both versions of the quest "A Smokywood Pastures' Thank You!" that was sending mail out immediately rather than on the intended delay.
In a startling discovery, Mistletoe sold on last year's vendors is now named "Fake Mistletoe". A Smokywood Pastures spokesman was quoted as saying, "Sorry, no refunds."
Some of the Southsea Dock Workers that were working under the boat should now be much more accessible to players.
Andre Firebeard no longer has a chance of dropping a Wastewander Water Pouch.
All OOX Distress Beacons are now multi-drop; everyone in a group should be able to receive one if it drops.
Fixed a bug with Oglethorpe Obnoticus' gossip where he was being much more familiar with strangers than he should have been."
Cay said:
"I'm going to be as forthright as I possibly can, here.
You folks always gripe that we can't "admit when we make mistakes".
We made a mistake.
It was mistakenly kept in 1.8.4. We hadn't looked at the patch for a while -- it was tested, signed off on, and kept in the wings in case it looked like 1.9 might not make the holiday cutoff.
We're apologizing for it here. We're fixing it as soon as we can manage.
It's not the best situation, certainly, but we're doing what we can to make amends."
Either Blizzard is full of crap, retarded, or they don't even read the patch notes they post on there freaking website at all.
How was this unintentional? It was in the damn patch notes for Christ sakes.
You can do what ever you want, but please don't think we are not a bunch of idiot's and are going to take "unintentional" as an excuse. Please we are smarter then you think. Just admit you were wrong, and are going to change it because of the public out cry. It wasn't intentional as it was in the notes, or are you saying you people do not read what you post on the website?
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6135207&p=#post6135207 | | | Poster: Caydiem at 12/6/2005 10:58:48 PM PST
Subject: Re: Cay is full of it about the ten minute rule.. |
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Kindly don't make ad hominem attacks. Be civil.
I wrote the 1.8.4 Patch Notes.
I wrote them about a month ago, when this was all still in contention.
The patch notes were done, localized in all the languages we support, and shelved as a completed project as I went on and juggled my dozen other projects of a given week. The patch notes aren't written right before it's patched. The Web Team, who posts the patch notes on the website, don't necessarily know what should or should not be in a given patch. The developers have already seen the patch notes and so have I at this point -- several times -- and they're also hard-coded into the patch itself. That was all done ages ago; patch notes aren't the same as developer logs, and they're not reviewed weekly when no new changes have come down the pipe for them.
1.8.4 was being worked on at the same time as 1.9. 1.8.4 was done and signed off on before the change was pulled. When it was pulled and the Deserter debuff implemented, the focus was solely on 1.9, which was open and malleable, and thus it was pulled from there. Because the 1.8.4 branch was "closed", considered done, and the patch itself was primarily the "Holiday Patch", it wasn't reviewed for the change.
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Responding to your latest post:
Do I read the Patch Notes on the website? No, no I don't. Once a patch has released, I've normally spent weeks staring at those patch notes, and there's nothing I'd rather do less than look at the page when I already know what's up there. The Web Team isn't an expert on what should be in a patch or not, and has normally had the patch notes for a given patch for some time. Again, the patch was over with and done for weeks upon weeks before it was live.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Good daycycle, Citizen!
The Computer is your friend.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6135207&p=#post6135381 | Poster: Caydiem at 12/6/2005 11:14:26 PM PST
Subject: Re: Cay is full of it about the ten minute rule.. |
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Q u o t e:
Over the last year, I've learned that Cay will keep posting until she feels vindicated. It's cool. I do the same thing.
Drink up, Cay. Want ice? *waggles Cherry Coke can*
*sigh*
Years before I entered the game industry...
...I was a forum troll.
Sometimes, I just can't stop the urge. ;)
Good daycycle, Citizen!
The Computer is your friend.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6135207&p=#post6135524 | Poster: Caydiem at 12/6/2005 11:24:12 PM PST
Subject: Re: Cay is full of it about the ten minute ru |
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Q u o t e:
Ok.. so it was a mistake.. but it still begs the question.. where's the oversight on what goes on? I mean, I understand that it was a done patch and that it was on the shelf waiting to ship if the need arose. That's fine.. but you are contradicting yourself. Your first response to this was:
So what was with that? I mean.. the moment you asked Kalgan about this 10 minute rule; no wait. The moment you SAW the ten minute rule was implemented thru the complaints of users, since you claim to be in-the-know about the fact that the 10 minute rule was NOT to be implemented, you should've been stating that. It should've been an immediate response "Oh, crap.. that wasn't supposed to be in there, let me figure this out."
Instead, you replied, justifying the addition of the system as if it truly was intentional. Then, after time passes, you come back and go "Oops." You kinda burned yourself, there. I'm not trying to rag on you, it's just the way it is. When you pull the rug out from under yourself, you can't expect people to be happy when you wipe your feet on their nice clean wooden floor.
This is explained in one of the responses in the sticky; I linked to it in the first post if you don't want to go digging. :)
Good daycycle, Citizen!
The Computer is your friend.
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