Poster: Massi at 8/30/2005 6:33:21 PM PDT
Subject: Examples please... |
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Hi, I have never been seriously involved in the forums (I only skim them here and there) because I've always been a skeptic about how much the development team actually listens to people's ideas for the game. I just wanted to know if i could have some links to some threads that show ideas that have been proposed in the past (wild original ones) that have been implemented into a patch in the past.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:38:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Here are a few examples of changes made to the game through player feedback.
- The upcoming Dressing Room feature
- Auto-shoot for wands
- Quest tracker in the default UI
- New, more convenient graveyards and flight paths
- Improved raid UI
- Removing rank restrictions on keeping PvP Honor rewards
- Dire Maul (in regards to players wanting more difficult, high-end 5-man dungeons)
There is a great deal more, but those are just a few off the top of my head. :)[ post edited by Caydiem ]
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
By different flight paths do they mean the transports won't fly huge half circles and major detours anymore, or just different connections?
The Camp Taurajo flight path was added as an example. Also, some flight paths were indeed straightened out a bit.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:49:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Druids: "Give us a DD Finisher, please."
Caydiem: "The developers are absolutely firm on their stance that druids will recieve no such thing."
Patch notes 1.blah
Druids --
Druids gain a DD Finisher.
... :P
I don't recall saying that the developers were firm about not adding such a thing. I do recall bringing up the arguments for such an ability as fought for by the community.
This post, 6 months ago, shows the result:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=77293&p=1&tmp=1#post77293
And Forumtroll, it happened a few patches ago. You need to achieve the rank, but if you drop below it, you can still use the item.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:58:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Isn't Dire Maul already in the game?
Yes. The poster was asking for things proposed by players that had been implemented into the game.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:05:54 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
i fell on the floor laughing when i read more convenient graveyards!! XD HAHAHAHA
Er...
I'm sorry if you do not believe graveyards next to each major city and a new one right near Dire Maul are not considered new, more convenient graveyards -- having personally made the run from both city raids and Dire Maul many a time, they've certainly made my time in game more convenient.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:46:57 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Balancing the classes can wait. Bug fixing, who needs it?
If we can't play dress-up, wtf's the point?
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Glad to see we've got sound priorities set.
Indeed. The class team spent not a millisecond on the development of the Dressing Room, and bug fixing continued from all teams while it was being created.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:51:14 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Hey, can you please lie more? How about all the player feedback about a hair/face editor for your character, I've never seen a suggestion post about this "Pretty Pretty Princess" wardrobe design thing, and about 100 about hair/face changes.
What about the feedback to fix your server for once? Archimonde crashes about once a day or has insane friggin' lag.
Fix the servers before putting money into lame crap please.
Nothing I stated was a lie. The individual asked for examples of player suggestions or feedback that we implemented into the game. Every last item I named -- and more, which I'm working on compiling still -- were implemented due to player feedback.
We are constantly working on realm issues. The development team does not take resources away from the server team -- both teams can work on things simultaneously.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 11:15:49 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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To those who state that these issues were not asked for by players...
With all due respect, it is my job to read these forums and take feedback to the developers. I assure you, every single one of the items named were asked for, at length, by the playerbase.
Many of you are bringing up other points, either of changes to the game that negatively affected you or other suggestions you want to see implemented. Understand that, while I do take your suggestions to the developers, they are allowed to say, "Not now," or simply, "No." They change the game based on what they feel is best for it in the long term. Now, they do listen, but just because your suggestion is heard does not necessarily mean it's next up on the development list.
This thread was asking for examples of what was implemented due to player feedback -- examples -- and I gave them. These are not the only things we've changed due to player feedback; I'm in the process of compiling the list, actually. They weren't asking for a comprehensive list, just examples.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 12:26:33 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Cay,
Thanks for your comments here, and for putting up with so much on a daily basis. There have been a number of long posts about the big nerf to invulnerable mail. I do not want to go into all of the perspectives that are all over the boards again on this thread.
This thread is about CM's listening and taking comments to the Dev's. My question to you is have the Devs heard the points raised on the posts related to the nerf of that epic item? Is that customer feedback being considered?
It is hard to tell since no responses from CM's have ever been made on any of those posts. I have presumed that means that the nerf is being assessed now, and their is no conclusion yet. But it is hard for us to tell what it means.
Waiting two weeks for a response to an item that took its owners 2 months of hard work to get causes some anxiety.
I am not whining here. I have done that elsewhere. We would like to know the status, if you can comment at this time.
Thanks.
The feedback has been heard, but as I said, hearing and understanding the concerns does not necessarily lead to them changing it back if they believe the change is still for the best as a whole.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 12:36:08 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Awesome. Thanks.
I think we all just want you to consider that it is easy to say "Hey, we just shortened the proc and let your attacks go through as an offset". But considering the way the item is used, the change from the nerf is much more fundamental.
But I really appreciate your response.
Remember that the developers have high-level characters and play the game quite often, so they're not exactly ignorant when it comes to the playstyles in the game. ;)
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:06:58 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Haha I read the forums at work every day Each and every post. I have even done searchs not once have I found Dressing room. I have found dye our close configuration of character models and things like that.
Might as well just stop talking and only say MooOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOoO
As posts expire after seven days of no activity and the Dressing Room feature was announced more than a week ago, I don't doubt that you can't find them. Other players have attested in this thread and others that they did exist.
- Caydiem -
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 3:20:13 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... |
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Q u o t e:
Then what about Bugs? Jeebus how many threads of untold length across how many forums does it take to get it through to Blizzard reps that BUGS need to be fixed instead of implementing crap like Dressing Rooms.
You know, try fixing some code thats been busted since beta instead of adding more code into the mix.
I think thats why you are being met with hostility. Its because there has been player feedback on several bugs since release and they still haven't been fixed... and yet we still have development work being done on superficial things.
These are the examples we cite when we say that Blizzard doesn't listen or implements crap that isn't necessary while overlooking things that are.
We want a game that works first, thanks.
Yes, but a game that doesn't change or grow at all is not something people want, either.
We are fixing bugs, and we're not suspending fixes to work on Dressing Room-like features. However, not all bugs can be fixed with a snap of the fingers. It's an ongoing process. We are fixing bugs, but we're also adding features that will appeal to our players and keep the game enjoyable.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:38:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Here are a few examples of changes made to the game through player feedback.
- The upcoming Dressing Room feature
- Auto-shoot for wands
- Quest tracker in the default UI
- New, more convenient graveyards and flight paths
- Improved raid UI
- Removing rank restrictions on keeping PvP Honor rewards
- Dire Maul (in regards to players wanting more difficult, high-end 5-man dungeons)
There is a great deal more, but those are just a few off the top of my head. :)[ post edited by Caydiem ]
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
By different flight paths do they mean the transports won't fly huge half circles and major detours anymore, or just different connections?
The Camp Taurajo flight path was added as an example. Also, some flight paths were indeed straightened out a bit.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:49:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Druids: "Give us a DD Finisher, please."
Caydiem: "The developers are absolutely firm on their stance that druids will recieve no such thing."
Patch notes 1.blah
Druids --
Druids gain a DD Finisher.
... :P
I don't recall saying that the developers were firm about not adding such a thing. I do recall bringing up the arguments for such an ability as fought for by the community.
This post, 6 months ago, shows the result:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=77293&p=1&tmp=1#post77293
And Forumtroll, it happened a few patches ago. You need to achieve the rank, but if you drop below it, you can still use the item.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/30/2005 6:58:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Isn't Dire Maul already in the game?
Yes. The poster was asking for things proposed by players that had been implemented into the game.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:05:54 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
i fell on the floor laughing when i read more convenient graveyards!! XD HAHAHAHA
Er...
I'm sorry if you do not believe graveyards next to each major city and a new one right near Dire Maul are not considered new, more convenient graveyards -- having personally made the run from both city raids and Dire Maul many a time, they've certainly made my time in game more convenient.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:46:57 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Balancing the classes can wait. Bug fixing, who needs it?
If we can't play dress-up, wtf's the point?
-
Glad to see we've got sound priorities set.
Indeed. The class team spent not a millisecond on the development of the Dressing Room, and bug fixing continued from all teams while it was being created.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:51:14 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Hey, can you please lie more? How about all the player feedback about a hair/face editor for your character, I've never seen a suggestion post about this "Pretty Pretty Princess" wardrobe design thing, and about 100 about hair/face changes.
What about the feedback to fix your server for once? Archimonde crashes about once a day or has insane friggin' lag.
Fix the servers before putting money into lame crap please.
Nothing I stated was a lie. The individual asked for examples of player suggestions or feedback that we implemented into the game. Every last item I named -- and more, which I'm working on compiling still -- were implemented due to player feedback.
We are constantly working on realm issues. The development team does not take resources away from the server team -- both teams can work on things simultaneously.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 11:15:49 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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To those who state that these issues were not asked for by players...
With all due respect, it is my job to read these forums and take feedback to the developers. I assure you, every single one of the items named were asked for, at length, by the playerbase.
Many of you are bringing up other points, either of changes to the game that negatively affected you or other suggestions you want to see implemented. Understand that, while I do take your suggestions to the developers, they are allowed to say, "Not now," or simply, "No." They change the game based on what they feel is best for it in the long term. Now, they do listen, but just because your suggestion is heard does not necessarily mean it's next up on the development list.
This thread was asking for examples of what was implemented due to player feedback -- examples -- and I gave them. These are not the only things we've changed due to player feedback; I'm in the process of compiling the list, actually. They weren't asking for a comprehensive list, just examples.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 12:26:33 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Cay,
Thanks for your comments here, and for putting up with so much on a daily basis. There have been a number of long posts about the big nerf to invulnerable mail. I do not want to go into all of the perspectives that are all over the boards again on this thread.
This thread is about CM's listening and taking comments to the Dev's. My question to you is have the Devs heard the points raised on the posts related to the nerf of that epic item? Is that customer feedback being considered?
It is hard to tell since no responses from CM's have ever been made on any of those posts. I have presumed that means that the nerf is being assessed now, and their is no conclusion yet. But it is hard for us to tell what it means.
Waiting two weeks for a response to an item that took its owners 2 months of hard work to get causes some anxiety.
I am not whining here. I have done that elsewhere. We would like to know the status, if you can comment at this time.
Thanks.
The feedback has been heard, but as I said, hearing and understanding the concerns does not necessarily lead to them changing it back if they believe the change is still for the best as a whole.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 12:36:08 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Awesome. Thanks.
I think we all just want you to consider that it is easy to say "Hey, we just shortened the proc and let your attacks go through as an offset". But considering the way the item is used, the change from the nerf is much more fundamental.
But I really appreciate your response.
Remember that the developers have high-level characters and play the game quite often, so they're not exactly ignorant when it comes to the playstyles in the game. ;)
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 2:06:58 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Haha I read the forums at work every day Each and every post. I have even done searchs not once have I found Dressing room. I have found dye our close configuration of character models and things like that.
Might as well just stop talking and only say MooOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOoO
As posts expire after seven days of no activity and the Dressing Room feature was announced more than a week ago, I don't doubt that you can't find them. Other players have attested in this thread and others that they did exist.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/31/2005 3:20:13 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Examples please... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Then what about Bugs? Jeebus how many threads of untold length across how many forums does it take to get it through to Blizzard reps that BUGS need to be fixed instead of implementing crap like Dressing Rooms.
You know, try fixing some code thats been busted since beta instead of adding more code into the mix.
I think thats why you are being met with hostility. Its because there has been player feedback on several bugs since release and they still haven't been fixed... and yet we still have development work being done on superficial things.
These are the examples we cite when we say that Blizzard doesn't listen or implements crap that isn't necessary while overlooking things that are.
We want a game that works first, thanks.
Yes, but a game that doesn't change or grow at all is not something people want, either.
We are fixing bugs, and we're not suspending fixes to work on Dressing Room-like features. However, not all bugs can be fixed with a snap of the fingers. It's an ongoing process. We are fixing bugs, but we're also adding features that will appeal to our players and keep the game enjoyable.
- Caydiem -
/moo
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