Poster: Cyprux at 8/5/2005 2:10:08 PM PDT
Subject: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/zulgurub.html
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:23:12 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Hey, folks, once again -- this was a coordinated effort between our teams, and Europe was given the exclusive. It will be "copy and paste" when we do post it due to the fact that we developed most of the text right here, first. They're not housed with the developers as we are, and often times their community can feel neglected, second-hand. You folks like being first all the time and call us out when we're not, but honestly... it's planned. This game is out in more than just North America and we do need to spread the information love around from time to time. [ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:31:13 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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It's the internet, why does anyone have to get the info first?
Well, by default, we give you folks more information in general due to the fact that we more easily speak with the developers. The international teams have an extra step or two, and that means their communities don't get information as readily. Consider the general perception on these boards now -- imagine what it would be like with less information.
Now, coordinating simultaneous release of information is something we do, but it's difficult -- keep in mind the time differences and the number of regions with which we need to work. Because of this inherent difficulty, we reserve it for truly large announcements -- previews like this tend to be used to bring the international communities closer in and give them something others haven't seen. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:32:50 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Wow, if I remeber correctly, BWL preview is first released by Euro, too. The battleground preview is also first released by Euro. The PvP honor system is release by Korean team. The rooftop camping is first decide by Euro team. So what have you done or plan to release first in US, just curious?
Darkmoon Faire and the Fishing Extravaganza, actually. :P There will be more.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:34:59 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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wow i'm glad they used the same old boring art textures for the level as stranglethorn/zulferrak instead of coming up with some new visuals...
*cackle* You just wait. I assure you there are some new visuals in Zul'Gurub. We didn't want to spoil it for you. :D
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:47:36 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview |
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I've got a really revolutionary idea...
How about coordinating efforts between the regions to release content previews at the same time! *GASP*
Not that I care really who gets what first.
Read on -- I posted more than once in this thread and explain why we didn't. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:52:27 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Sorry if I'm not understanding this correctly, but honestly, what's so hard about a quick email to WoWEU saying we're releasing info on X at 12:00, you can copy it from worldofwarcraft.com/xnewthing?
And if it is really more involved than it seems, why is it such a big deal anyway? don't plan who gets what info first, whoever knows it first just release it. Both sides will get it eventually and chances are it will even out in the end.
Because our 12:00 is not their 12:00. There's international labor laws to consider, etc. -- while we can be at the office at midnight, say, that's not necessarily true of our international offices. It's a bad time for someone, regardless. We *do* coordinate large releases, but keep the hassle for those large, important releases alone.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 2:56:44 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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So Cay, are you saying we won't see this instance until 1.8, and all we get is a Faire and a Fishing quest for 1.7? Not that I'm complaining about the fishing, it's great we have an update to it.
Still it's scary to think we won't get Zul for prolly 2 months if it's in the 1.8 patch?
Is my thinking off here Cay?
Yes. :P
It's in 1.7. I'm not sure where you got the impression that we're giving the entire dungeon to Europe first -- I was talking about the preview.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 3:06:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Here's what I don't understand.
You both develop them, right? They're both in English. Both Europe and NA have access to each other's websites.
Now, I can accept that their webmaster may not be able to be working when the US webmaster can. However, both servers are owned by Blizzard, and I find it very hard to believe that the webmaster is walking down to the server room with a floppy in hand to copy the update over.
So why not simultaneous releases? I could understand Korea getting something first, because it would then have to be translated to English.
But Europe OR North America?
Give BOTH of us the updates at the same time!
Again, it's not just a capability issue, Teridan.
This community -- our community here -- gets a lot of things first, a lot of little useful tidbits of information that Europe and Korea get second-hand. They don't have Tigole giving updates on their Raid and Dungeon forum. Their community team doesn't have meetings with the developers, doesn't compile the patch notes, doesn't have the ability to give such information out freely. They need to go through quite a few steps. This leaves their communities somewhat information-poor.
What these previews are is a gesture saying "Hey, folks, we know your situation, so here you go -- an exclusive preview on a major upcoming feature."
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 3:11:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Here's what I really think: NEITHER group should be getting information first. It's all in English, it can be coordinated. Both groups should be getting the same information at the same time.
My friend, I don't think you quite understand. Everything the Europeans post needs to be reflected in two other languages, despite the fact that one is taken care of. They have three different communities of sorts -- English, French and German -- to manage, and neglecting any one for the sake of expediency is poor management. That requires time to translate.
And if you're referring to little posts, such coordination is nigh impossible, unless you don't want us to post in this forum practically at all.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 3:17:01 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Your public relations need work Cay. Problems with communication of your office should not excuse this.
It's not a communication problem. We all manage our separate communities, but it's a simple fact that the international community teams do not have quite the access we do to the development team by simple proximity. We give them what we can information wise, but these previews are to show them that we consider them a part of our community as a whole, and we're thinking of them.
In short, this system probably isn't going to change anytime soon. It's a planned, scheduled internal process.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 3:41:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Caydiem, why not do this: Give WoW Europe (or whoever) the exclusive. Then, post on the main blizzard page "Our friends over at WoW Europe have a new exclusive for you: Feature X revealed! Here is a link." That way, everybody wins, no? US players don't feel like they're getting left in the dark ("How come nobody told us?!") and the European players still get the benefit of "Here you go, we're bringing it to you first! You can't get this info anywhere else."
Simply posting important information on one site doesn't help any community, it only hurts those who don't receive the information. You say that we win out overall because we get all the "little info". Well, the problem is "little info", by its nature, is not always very visible.
If we post it -- regardless of whether we're pointing to their site or what-have-you -- it fails to be an exclusive, really.
Also, doing that for the Korean site when we give them exclusives would probably only provoke the community into an incoherent rage. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 3:48:39 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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I will say that it appears the slots for the sets will be slightly different from the norm. That's all. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 4:07:32 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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As far as the forum goes, there are two main choices:
1) Post as we get information, sharing the big tidbits with our international teams so they can post them at their leisure (what we do now); or
2) Coordinate scheduled information releases with all teams, leading to less posts on the whole.
Anything else -- such as, say, the US team updating the European forums -- would require a significant structure revamp as well as language classes for the majority of us, since no online translator is good enough to effectively communicate many of the things we do from day to day, and thus are, yes, outside the realm of feasibility.
It's as simple (or rather not-so-simple) as that.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 4:12:01 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Cool! Another instance for the rather depleted 50-55s! Yes!
It's for 60s mainly, actually. Thanks, though. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/5/2005 4:13:06 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Zul'Gurub Preview! |
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Scanning the whole thread FTW!
If this means what I think it does... very *very* cool. Now, do the five just mean Neck/Ring/Ring + two other slots, or the full Neck/Ring/Ring/Trinket/Trinket? Maybe jewelery + weapons?
I said slightly! SLIGHTLY! :P
But you're along the right lines. ;)
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