Poster: Louden at 5/26/2005 11:45:57 AM PDT
Subject: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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While acting as primary healer, once we draw aggro, it is hard to shed, though a good MT warrior can pull it off of us. As secondary healer, the druid is fantastic, because we can add HoT's and help if things get hairy, but the best function being druid secondary healer is to be able to go to bear and pull aggro off of a cloth wearer, Priest, Mage, Warlock, leaving them to do what they do best. Now back to being primary healer, if a Priest does draw aggro, they can fade until someone pulls it off of them. Druids can shift to bear form, but that doesn't shed aggro nearly as well, and an elite will fairly quickly widdle away on the bear form. To be a jack of all trades we need an ability to be able to do this that falls in Druid lore, and has been talked about before:
Tree Form (similar to Flask of Petrification and Fade)
Gained at LVL 54 (Could have earlier versions, but this makes it more of an endgame spell)
Druid turns into a tree, reducing physical and magical damage by 75%, and discouraging enemies from attacking you. Unable to attack or cast spells in this form. (Flask of Petrification lasts 1 minute, and damage redux is 100%)
Duration: Lasts for 10 seconds or until broken by player (Fade is also 10 seconds)
Cost: 600 mana (Fade costs 175 mana)
Cooldown: 45 seconds (Fade is 30 seconds)
This form is not as good as Fade, because Druids would be unable to cast heals during this time, which would require its use to be well timed, ie, having just cast a rejuv on the tank after taking the first few hits from the mob, but would at least give an ability to reduce aggro. By having it reduce damage taken by 75%, could not be misused in PvP, and in reality would not be too affective except to allow the player to gather their composure if ganked, as a rogue or warrior could still beat on a druid and cause damage.
- At Tandy, we never stop asking, "what if?"
edit: changed the mana cost to 600 from 250. Thus making it much less mana-efficient than a Priests.
Thought edit: Don't want to be more powerful than a priest at healing, which we are not, no instant cast heals. That is there job, though they somehow think they are supposed to do DPS of a rogue in the shadow tree, hum...anyway just something to give a slight last resort option.[ post edited by Louden ]
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3291483 | | | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 12:53:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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Barkskin is meant to fill this role and does quite well. If you're under heavy fire, Barkskin + Bear form will cover you in most situations while the tank draws the monsters' attention back to him- or herself.
There are no plans at this time to include another aggro reduction/escape maneuver for Druids.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3292909 | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 1:13:49 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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Q u o t e:
Appreciate the response, Caydiem, I have received the same from many well played druids on this forum and will take to trying the timing of everything better, heals better timed to reduce aggro, maybe a self rejuv, barskin, bear. However, by saying this, cat form cower is not the correct thing to do in this situation, if that is the case, I will not try it a third time?
It's my personal preference to use Barkskin and Bear for better survivability. You can certainly attempt to use Cower, but there's the possibility of being resisted, whereas with Bear and Barkskin you're protecting yourself no matter what.
Druids are very versatile with several options available -- it's all up to how you want to play. :)
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3293335 | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 1:47:14 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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Q u o t e:
Is cay answering here to make it seem she isn't ignoring the druid forums and the plight of feral and balance druids?
Druids can't rez, can't fade, and their healing is situationally on par with priests.
This would be fine for a class that is supposed to do more than healing. I some how doubt that Caydiem's Druid has ever been asked to play anything other than a healer role in a level 60 instance (Maybe if they were absolutely desperate for a tank).
Sadder yet is that blizzard hasn't posted one thing in the Druid forums in the last 3 months that shows they even care.
Just as they'll ignore this post too :p
I've been healer, tank, and DPS in high-level instances, Sallust. Thank you for assuming, however. :)
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3293894 | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 1:52:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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Q u o t e:
Care to share how you have been a DPS dealer? Or where you tlaking about a class other then Druid?
All my Druid, and believe it or not, I was using Cat form primarily. :P
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3294005 | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 2:39:34 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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I am not "ignoring" Balance or Feral, but I have no new updates on it from the developers. The Druids are still being looked at by the class team, and Feral at the least will be getting some serious love. I have no new information and no personal, long-time experience with either build in the high-end game, so I fail to see what I'm "ignoring".
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3291483&p=#post3294813 | Poster: Caydiem at 5/26/2005 3:10:19 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Needed Ability: Druid version of Fade |
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You're not "ignoring" them? I call BS and ask for proof. Maybe the class team isn't ignoring Druids, but one day of posting in the Druid forums proves you are Caydiem. Prove to me where you've been active more than once in the Druid forums in the last 3 months and I'll eat crow.
Edit: AND humbly apologize. Seriously I love this game and am trying to work constructively to make it better. It takes two however, we can't help where blizzard isn't listening.
You seem to think that people are asking you for bug fixes and golden epics on a silver platter.
We're actually just asking that the "Community Manager" take part in the Druid community.
Its fine that you don't have experience with endgame feral or balance Druids. Just as it is fine that you don't have a 60 hunter.
What isn't fine is that you ignore the Druid community that does. Especially since this means you are falsely misleading the devs about community feedback if you do.
Do you believe I only use my own experiences when speaking to the developers about the class? If anything, what I know takes a back seat to the concerns from the Druid forum. Just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not reading. Often times -- particularly on my days off, when I'm not juggling projects as I do when I'm at work -- I spend time in the Druid and Hunter forums, not posting, but reading what you folks have to say.
I apologize for not being more active in the forum and I understand that a lack of blue text there can very easily be construed as a lack of attention, but that is not the case.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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