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Poster: Killian at 3/18/2005 12:41:33 PM PST Subject: BLUE: Paladins Still Ignored Pt. 2
	Original Thread here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1995143&p=1 It ran out of room with no blue response -------------------------------------------------- Ok Blue. Here we go again trying to be constructive. I and most Paladins are getting exceedingly frustrated. 3 days ago it hit a real head when one of our Pallies (Hulkamania) got himself banned to prove you simply are ignoring Paladins. The Problems: So why are we upset? We have one of the longest list of Bugs/Balance/Gameplay problems of any class in Game. Take a look at the list folks: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=92994&p=1 Here's another: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=109221&p=1&tmp=1#post109221 The list contains issues that vary from minor (Blessing of Protection knocking you out of combat) to Deadly (BoK damaging you on recasts, Reckoning locking you in combat, JoW not working with IBoW, Aura's being mutually exclusive, Interrupts affecting all spells instead of spells of a single school). I've seen one fix going in and that's for Reckoning. That's it and that has to wait for the content patch. EDIT: For those of you who disagree please look at the list and if you think you have a longer list of problems please post the link ;) And a special note to Warlocks. You have a wonderful list of bugs. The one thing we've done is condense issues that are interrelated. If we expanded the Paladin bug list out like the Warlock list is it would be significantly longer. I just didn't see the point of it. That doesn't make your list invalid just pointing out the us vs. them arguement is pointless. We Suck at PvP: Look there is no question that paladins are the absolute worst class at PvP. As this thread shows: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=112707&p=1 We statistically lose 77% of all PvP fights which result in a death. Oh sure we can Shield and Stone but that shouldn't be our ultimate option. That's all we pretty much have. Stay and fight and you have a 77% probability of getting owned. We are the slowest levelers: This has been known for a long darn time. We are the slowest levelers in the game (note a Holy Spec'd Priest probably levels as slow as Prot Spec'd Pally but both are inherintly slow levelers). This is something that most paladins expect. However combining this with the worst PvP statistics, immense number of bugs, etc. gives us no trade off for this disadvantage. For those that doubt this, of the first 25 characters who reached level 60 after release not a single one was a Paladin. We continue to level slowly unless in groups or during the early levels where foes are easy (1-30). After that we slow down to a crawl. We continue to be called overpowered: This is probably the most frustrating. Only the most ignorant of newbs actually says this now. Oh we are hard to gank (because we've learned to shield and stone) but that hardiness has a huge trade off of making us the single worst levelers and the single worst class in PvP. You seem to reply to everyone else's problems very quickly but continue to lock/ignore us: Mage's: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1985236&p=1&tmp=1#post1985236 Mage's got a reply in 13 minutes. :( I tried this before and the thread got locked because of posting links in the thread. Hunter's: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1986035&p=1&tmp=1#post1986035 They got a reply in 5 minutes :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1924185&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard Second thread got a reply in 4 hours. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2001993&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard Third got a reply in 4 minutes :o Rogues: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1890521&p=1&tmp=1#post1890521 Got are reply in 20 minutes. Paladin's: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1942798&tmp=1#post1942798 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1942793&tmp=1#post1942793 Paladin's told to go back to the Paladin Forum and that's all we've ever gotten as a response. Oh wait they replied to a Paladin ... ahh but he was asking a canned question (We already had the answer the poster needs to go read the Pally forums ;) ): http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2002976&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard Proof Devs are on the boards but ignoring us: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=1998598&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2000185&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2001722&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard Check out the post time they are active but just ignoring us :( What do we want? Supprisingly most of us don't want the world. I'm happy to be the slowest levelers. Heck our statisically low PvP results may be due to issues with our abilities that aren't fixed and the rarity of some of critical gear. So the main thing we want IS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR BUGS AND PROBLEMS AND SOMEONE TAKING SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY TAKE THEM TO THE DEVELOPERS TO GET FIXED! Why do we continue to be ignored? Hey if the other classes have more critical problems that's fine. Fix them. We've waited this long to get fixed we can wait longer but at least post in a thread saying 'Hey we understand the Paladin frustration we have taken the list of Known Paladin problems to the developers to be looked at when they can they will start looking at it. To Other Classes: Look I know you'll want to hop in and stomp your feet saying you need fixed and we Paladins should shut your mouths to that I have a response which may shock you: 1) Priests have been promised a reply from the developers and that response is long overdue. You should get yours first. 2) Rogues I know alot of people are calling nerfs on you but I don't agree with it. You guys are fine and don't need nerfed I play a rogue alt and I know how fun they are. I think they are the best built class in the game. You have bugs (like Vanish) that need fixed I totally agree. Please respect the Paladin Problems. 3) Warriors, I backed your needing fixes for a long darn time you guys are getting them. They may not be all you need and if they aren't I still back you if you need more fixing. Sure some moronic Paladins may have told you to 'Learn to play your class' but those are the responses fo 13 year old kids who are lonely on Saturday nights. Don't stoop to their levels we have issues. 4) Warlock's: I've felt yoru pain through several harsh nerfs. You are getting some buffs in the upcoming patch and I hope they help you guys. 5) Everyone else: The same I hope and pray you respect the problems we have with our characters. It sucks right now. We totally get we are a support class, hence the reason we are simply shooting for bug fixes/balance tweaks first after that if other changes are needed it can be looked at but for right now that's all we want! Good day ;) [ post edited by Killian ] Tyren: "I personally think Shaman have it the best"
	http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2023471&p=#post2023471

Poster: Tyren at 3/21/2005 11:04:41 AM PST Subject: Re: BLUE: Paladins Still Ignored Pt. 2
	I'm sure you have noticed we have been gathering feedback and releasing information about each class. This will also take place for Paladins. Till then, I would ask the Paladin community to formulate and prepare issues as well-thought out as possible.
	http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=2023471&p=#post2070308

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